[Vision2020] Minimum wage
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 9 22:08:49 PDT 2006
Oh great, now someone's going to have to defend him. Dan, stop calling him
a pig, you big meanie.
There.
Sunil
>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:28:13 -0700
>
>Gee, I think we've hit a new low here.
>
>keely
>
>
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Well Jackie,
>
> FYI, I have three jobs. How many do you have? I bet you don't have one
>and collect a government check or someone else is supporting you. I don't
>have time to be vandalizing people's property, harassing bookstore owners,
>launching frivolous lawsuits against the school district, and inundating
>the police and city officials with vindictive filings against what my
>neighbors are doing. How do you make a living Jackie, because we sure do
>know you are not stable enough to maintain a regular job, much less make
>enough to feed two people.
>
> Second, I have been to a couple school board meeting. You were at one of
>them, sitting there yelling at the top you lungs at Phil Roderick for
>having an opinion different then yours, and mysteriously, his property was
>vandalized too.
>
> Third, so you ask how MSD could save money, one of the best ways for the
>MSD and Moscow to save money would be to drop you off on an island
>somewhere, or ship you back to Alaska, so we don't have to hire so many
>city employees, pay frivolous lawsuits, repair damages to our property,
>and pay more in insurance premiums.
>
> That would be good start.
>
>
>"Pastor Wilson, the Church of Christ is the absolute example of what a cult
>is NOT.
>There is NO brainwashing, there is NO physical/pyschological abuse.
>There is NO condemnation of the soul if someone choses to leave.
>There is NO part of Christ Church which worships anyone else but God and
>HIS word.
>The Church of Christ AND Pastor Wilson do answer to people outside of our
>town and community.
>A cult answers only to itself." Jackie Woolf Thu, 11 Dec 2003
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>
>J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote: Dictate to us...em, sorry -
>ENLIGHTEN us as to how you feel the MSD is
>wasting money on the children? Just where should the budget be cut?
>
>Sounds to me you are verra familiar with the affects of an illegal
>substance; howbeit, since you have NEVER made it to a committee or School
>Board meeting, please - spread your light this-a-way and let the city know
>what plan you think would work and just how would it be paid for? And just
>how would you, who apparently has all knowledge, propose to get the
>community to accept anything you come up with any more readily than the
>plans MSD has proposed?
>
>Since most of the jobs in any given city/town/state is private or privately
>corporate, what other sector should be providing jobs? Not everyone can be
>a "professional student" receiving loans and grants to make it through
>life,
>so please let us know what other sector is out there to provide jobs that
>hasnae.
>
>And while you're in a mood of explainging things - what the living lights
>is
>a "pot smoking circle"?
>
>
>
>J ;|
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: Tom Ivie , keely emerinemix ,
> > gweitz at moscow.com, ringoshirl at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Tom,
> >
> > You can pay for it by getting the MSD to stop wasting money in our
> >current school system. Second, they can get the private sector to help
>out
> >in many job fields. A company wants nothing more than a bunch of highly
> >trained workers straight out of school. Third, if the MSD would come up
> >with a proposal that didn't sound like something contrived during a high
> >school pot smoking circle they might be able gain community support.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >Tom Ivie wrote: How do you pay for that when we
> >can't even pass bonds for buildings and the state has to step in to fund
> >that?
> >
> >Donovan Arnold wrote: . . ."under Donovan's
> >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
> >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us signed up for
> >as
> >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start smoking or
> >having sex."-- Keely Mix
> >
> >
> >Keely,
> >
> >I know you are the expert on education being on the school board and
>all.
> >But, as I understand it, all parents have already been having sex.
> >
> >_DJA
> >
> >keely emerinemix wrote: Of course, under Donovan's
> >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
> >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us signed up
>for
> >as
> >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start smoking or
> >having sex.
> >
> >keely
> >
> >
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: Jerry Weitz , Shirley Ringo ,
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> >Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Jerry,
> >
> >I agree with you 100% regarding the workforce training. The school system
> >needs to start kids one year earlier, let them out one year later ,and
>use
> >those two extra years to train youth a job skill, good work ethic, how to
> >search for and find a job, keep a job, and advance in that field.
> >
> >They also need to teach youth how to do taxes, be a responsible member of
> >the community, build social skills, know first aid and establish healthy
> >eating habits, and all about how credit and debit works.
> >
> >In other words, schools need to teach youth the things they are going to
> >need to know about living in modern society and doing well. So many
>things
> >you learn in school today seem pointless when you get out and never use
>it.
> >You also find yourself hurting in other areas when you are expected to
>know
> >how to do something in life but nobody ever taught you.
> >
> >Thanks for your email.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >_DJA
> >
> >Jerry Weitz wrote:
> >Raising the minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.15 will not help in real
> >inflation-adjusted buying power--it is too small of an increase. So let’s
> >discuss the fundamentals. As Virginia’s former Democratic governor Mark
> >Warner’s track record illustrates, skills training in our high schools
> >would help increase wages for Idaho’s workforce and encourage more jobs.
> >With the push for community colleges in the urban areas of Idaho, I
>believe
> >that our local high schools could become the rural equivalent of
> >community
> >college. This would cost money and would require a willingness to change
> >the current high school structure.
> >
> >The state legislature’s current focus on shifting school funding from
> >property taxes to the sales tax (the current maintenance and operations
> >debate) misses the point. Instead of focusing on ways to shift funds, I
> >would urge consideration for increased funding for the
>creation/maintenance
> >of skills centers in local high schools. Rather than seeking a balanced
> >taxation approach, the Idaho Education Association has promoted a tax
>shift
> >to the sales tax, which sends a confusing message.
> >
> >When one examines France, with a high minimum wage, a large
> >under-skilled/inexperienced segment of its youth, guaranteed employment
> >contracts, unbending unionization, top down regulations, etc., one
>observes
> >high unemployment, a high cost of living, and extreme social unrest.
> >
> >What works: 1) create/maintain superior education for both the
> >college-bound and the non-college-bound, 2) invest in infrastructure, 3)
>be
> >friendly to business, 4) be environmentally wise, and 5) do this without
> >going deeply into debt, which requires prioritization. Ireland has
> >followed the above policies with exceptional success. We should follow
>the
> >lead of former governor Warner and Virginia’s Republican legislature and
> >make these policies non-partisan. From what I’ve learned, Larry Grant,
>our
> >district’s Democratic candidate for Congress, seems to understand this
> >non-partisan, middle of the road approach.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >At 11:11 AM 8/7/06, Shirley Ringo wrote:
> >Visionaries:
> >
> >
> >I cannot resist the urge to weigh in on the minimum wage issue. I
> >proposed legislation during the most recent legislative session to raise
> >the minimum wage to $6.15. It received very little support from
> >Republicans. (Our District 6 Republicans did support it, and
> >Representative Trail will co-sponsor the effort with us again next year.)
> >
> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
> >
> >We plan to try again next year, at an amount above $6.15.
> >
> >
> >
> >Without getting into the usual arguments, it’s unacceptable to have a
> >minimum wage that leaves those paid at that level in cruel poverty.
> >Lawmakers have neglected maintenance on minimum wage levels. In 1968, the
> >minimum wage meant something positive to families. In inflation-adjusted
> >dollars, it has lost nearly 40% of its value between 1968 and now.
> >
> >
> >
> >According to polling, the vast majority of Americans believe the minimum
> >wage should be higher. I believe eighteen states have a minimum wage
> >higher than the $5.15 federal level, which has not been raised since
>1997.
> >Some of these states have used the initiative process to get results,
>where
> >state legislators would not act on it. In some of these states, there
>has
> >been significant help from Republican leaders.
> >
> >
> >
> >Many claims of negative consequences do not seem to be true. One of the
> >claims is that jobs will be lost. In the majority of states that have
> >raised the minimum wage, there has in fact been an increase in jobs. (We
> >can’t claim the wage increase caused more jobs, but the decrease some
> >predicted didn’t happen.) An increase in employee productivity and less
> >absenteeism was reported where the pay level increased.
> >
> >
> >
> >On the inflation issue, "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
> >/>Florida reported after
> >raising their minimum wage a very minor increase in some prices. Since a
> >relatively small percent of the employed receive minimum wage, one might
> >not expect a dramatic increase in prices. (We can expect a “ripple
>effect”
> >though, where employers will raise wages to be more competitive.) One
>year
> >ago in Idaho, according to the Department of Commerce and Labor, 32,000
> >Idahoans received a wage between $5.15 and $6.15 per hour. While Idaho
> >State Government employee pay is entirely too low, almost none of them
> >receive pay as low as $5.15 per hour. I don’t consider it an undisputed
> >fact that there will be significant inflation, but we can certainly study
> >the issue in the states that have raised the minimum wage.
> >
> >
> >
> >Workers who receive minimum wage live from paycheck to paycheck. (If
> >they can make it stretch.) They have no discretionary money. What are
> >they to do when their taxes go up? Just more water in the gravy, I guess.
> >At the minimum wage, it takes more than one full day to earn the money to
> >buy fifteen gallons of gasoline.
> >
> >
> >
> >While I continue to study the issue, I am convinced that some of the
> >negative consequences of raising the minimum wage are over-stated. I am
> >also steadfast in my belief that it is unacceptable to value people and
> >families so little that we allow such a low level of compensation for
>their
> >efforts and to address their needs.
> >
> >
> >
> >Shirley
> >
> >
> >
> >
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