[Vision2020] An Iraqi Veteran's Testimony

[Dick Sherwin]

Sunil,

I am, of course, speaking with tongue in cheek about nuking.  I am simply
trying to make the point that we will never be able to achieve any goal when
our own nation is nearly as split as the Iraqis are.  I suppose it will take
another incident like 9/11 to bring us all back to the same page again.

Perhaps the 11 Muslims from Egypt who have gone missing on their student
visas will provide us with yet another terrorist act in our own country.
That would provide the idiots at Berkley another opportunity to dance in the
streets and give the libs an excuse to claim the US deserved it all over
again.

Personally, I am getting close to joining the anti-war crowd and pulling out
of Iraq, leaving the sectarian factions there to wantonly murder each other
until Iran moves in and takes the whole place over.  At this point, why the
hell should we care anyway?  I mean, other than the fact Iran is close to
nuclear military capability?  At least that would unify the people here at
home while we sat back, beliving we could love the Muslim world into loving
us in return until they slit all our throats.  Now, that sounds like an exit
plan to me.

Dick S...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Iraqi Veteran's Testimony


> Dick,
>
> Do you think our ally Turkey will appreciate the creation of a Kurdish
state
> in what used to be Iraq?  Your plan will lead to the further repression of
> Kurds by the Turkish government.  Will you then support an invasion of
> Turkey and the change of that government to support human rights in that
> country?
>
> So you want to split up Iraq and then commit genocide in the Middle East.
>
> Given that we now choose to attack other nations at a whim, why should
they
> give up the right of self-defense?  You would have them surrender
> sovereignty to us, or be exterminated?  That's insanity, Dick.
>
> I don't know if you've ever lived in a Muslim country, but I have, and I
> don't share your bigoted views of them.  They never wiped out my Christian
> family once, not even the folks next door who had several years to give it
a
> shot.  I don't think they want to live like us necessarily, but that
doesn't
> mean they hate everyone.
>
> Since you are willing to kill millions of them, men, women, and children,
> doesn't your description of Muslims fit you better?  Aren't you capable of
> hatred that allows mass murder, by your own description?  How are you
better
> than the people you despise in the middle east?
>
> Perhaps you wrote your response in a fit of pique.  Do you have another
> definition of victory in Iraq?
>
> By the way, the Kurds are Muslims too.  Shouldn't you kill them too?  And
> why are the Saudis getting off under your plan?  Since there were so many
> Saudis involved in the 9/11 plot, don't you want to kill all of them too?
>
> Sunil
>
>
> >From: "Dick Sherwin" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> >To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>,        "Sunil Ramalingam"
> ><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Iraqi Veteran's Testimony
> >Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:55:50 -0700
> >
> >Sunil,
> >
> >I really do not believe Iraq will ever become a democracy.  I really
can't
> >imagine any Muslim nation ever being a real, true democracy.  There is
too
> >much hatred of everyone who does not agree 100% with the political and
> >religious philosophies of someone else.  I just don't believe Muslims are
> >capable of any real change in that.
> >
> >I disagree with George Bush and the administration when they talk about
> >regime change in terms of creating a democratic society in Iraq.  I would
> >be
> >happy to see Iraq become united under any government that would be
friendly
> >toward the west, but I also don't really think that will happen either.
> >
> >So, you might ask, what would constitute a victory in Iraq, in my mind?
I
> >would think the creation of a seperat nation for the Kurds, up north,
would
> >be a good start.  Then I would be willing to consider bringing our troops
> >home, dropping leafelets on the rest of Iraq, Iran and Syria notifying
them
> >they had 48 hours to either disarm and stop supporting state sponsored
> >terrorism against the rest of the world or they would be turned into a
huge
> >glass fish bowl.
> >
> >I would be true to my word.  Call me a racist but I am beginning to
believe
> >the Muslim Religion, as a whole, is never going to get along with the
rest
> >of the world.  Just pulling out would only encourage them to sponsor even
> >more terrorism on the rest of the world.
> >
> >Live by the sword, die by the sword....  What other answer is there when
> >dealing with people who worship death as the ultimate reward?  Give them
> >what they want and let them enjoy their virgins.
> >
> >Dick S.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:33 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Iraqi Veteran's Testimony
> >
> >
> > > Dick,
> > >
> > > What does 'Winning' mean in Iraq?  How do you define it?
> > >
> > > What do you think the military should do in order to achieve such a
win?
> > >
> > > Sunil
> > >
> > >
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