[Vision2020] Minimum wage

[Sunil Ramalingam]

No, your only accomplishment was in sending a couple of posts without racial 
slurs.

It's an improvement.

Sunil


>From: J Chevy <j_chvy at yahoo.com>
>To: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
>Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 00:06:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Oh, Joe, and I thought you were a logistician..
>
>   First, the idea of raising the minimum wage to $100.00 was a “grand” 
>one..  But, I showed how stupid this idea was as was the idea of no wages 
>at all.  Also, using parody, I showed how eerily close our great nation is 
>creeping towards communism by implementing stupid ideas such as raising the 
>minimum wage. In the same vein, I illustrated how the drive for wealth 
>brings out incomparable creativity and productivity.
>
>   Lastly, an argument that is valid requires no fallacy assignment…because 
>it isn’t a fallacy. But, I know you already know this… and, common sense is 
>something that is learned by trial and error, rubbing elbows with the 
>common man, and years of, well, living..
>
>   The post was short and to the point--well, sorta
>
>   Now, for you, Joe--and I know you critically read my sarcastic post and 
>arrived at the same thing.
>
>   P: Raising the minimum wage is something nations do on their route to 
>communism
>   P: Communism is seldom successful for long, if ever
>   C: Therefore, raising the minimum wage is not a good idea for our 
>nation…well, unless you’re a communist.
>
>   Shoot, now I need to supply a truth table to disprove the alleged merits 
>of communism.
>
>
>   Chev
>
>Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
>   Chevy,
>
>I just want to make sure that I have the structure of your argument 
>correct. As far as I can tell, it is this:
>
>1) Here is a crazy idea: Suppose we raise the minimum wage to $100 per 
>hour.
>2) That won't work.
>3) Therefore, it is crazy to raise the minumum wage.
>
>Is that your argument?
>
>As of yet this fallacy has no name. On the other hand, it doesn't need one!
>
>Best, Joe
>
>---- J Chevy wrote:
>
>=============
>“Everywhere is freaks and hairies
>Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
>Tax the rich; feed the poor
>Till there are no rich no more...”
>
>Interpret the above as you will.
>
>Now, in the purest democrat fashion…
>
>Hey, I got a grand idea; let’s skip all the non-livable wage propositions 
>and raise the minimum wage in Idaho to $100.00 per worker per hour worked. 
>Skilled, unskilled, college educated, black, white, green, position in 
>society, blue collar, white collar, high or low intelligence, no matter. 
>Better yet, assign everyone identical salaries. We are all equal, right? 
>Why shouldn’t we deserve the same pay? Does any among us think that 
>they’re better than the other? Maybe our government should just handle 
>all the finances in the United States--issue us all an identical check 
>every Monday. Shoot, why do we even need money? Or property? Or the right 
>to have a say in the political arena for that matter? (Socialized medicine, 
>at this point, is a no-brainer.) Shant we all fulfill out own niche to 
>society and one big utopia will result? Aw, community, egalitarianism, I 
>love it! Mind you, we need bums, losers, drug addicts, illegal aliens, 
>derelicts, miscreants, hippies,
>gypsies, and environmentalists just as we need doctors, engineers, 
>teachers, attorneys, chemists, military personnel, law enforcement, and 
>authors. We are all equal, we simply play our own and unique role in the 
>societal hub. True? We are all dependant on each other for survival. The 
>drive to earn a bigger wage and live more affluently is no motivation to 
>better oneself—or the country for that matter. Perhaps the ailing Castro, 
>Putin, Ill, Hu, or the ghost of Lenin or Marx could help with the logistics 
>and implementation of this socioeconomic bit of brilliance. It’s a noble 
>idea. It will be tough in the beginning. We will have to start on a 
>small-scale basis. The first experimental community could be called, say, 
>the Socialist Republic of Moscow. Next, when we have successfully worked 
>out the bugs, we could fan out to neighboring areas, then to the entire 
>state. How’s the People’s Republic of Idaho sound? Catchy, huh? 
>Apropos, I’m suddenly having a deja vu.
>
>Not funny, you say? Remember the natural progression, according to Marx, 
>that Nations typically take? The US is knee deep in Socialism already. The 
>last step is communism…and, as we all know, it’s track record is 
>flawless.
>
>Performance, specialization, and supply/demand should dictate salary.. When 
>all is said and done, no one will work for (or pay) the ridiculous. There 
>should be no minimum wage, whatsoever. Just think, and I’m not totally a 
>free market wing nut..
>
>But, let’s say our socialist, Idahoan quixotes have their way and manage 
>to get the minimum wage raised to say, $8.00, the highest in the nation. 
>Can any of you, without any other state contributions, survive on that? 
>Doubtful. So, what then? $9.00? 10.00? 15.00 per hour?
>
>The answer is to eliminate the minimum wage altogether (and oust the aliens 
>that’ll work for next-to-nothing). Any person left who wants something 
>for themselves or their family will do what it takes to climb the ladder. 
>‘Cause ‘meritocracy and the American Dream’ ain’t no riddle, man; 
>to me, it makes good good sense. Good sense.
>
>J
>
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