[Vision2020] Donovan was not referred to as a pig.

Fri Aug 4 10:22:42 PDT 2006

Just to be clear, Dan never called Donovan a pig. He used a figure of speech: If you wrestle with pigs, you get dirty. It is interesting to note that, given what has happened, it seems that the figure of speech was (figuratively) true!

--
Joe Campbell

---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
Matt,

 You too huh. Well explain to us why it is acceptable  for Dan Carscallen to launch three personal attacks against me FIRST,  including referring to me as a pig, and yet it is unacceptable for me  respond back?

 Why did you remain quiet while Wayne Fox and  Dan Carscallen tag teamed me  right and  left with personal  attacks then only chose to respond when I defended myself?

  Isn't that little one sided for you guys to bash one person up and  down, then when they fight back your respond as though they were the  ones that started the whole thing? 

  If you are unable to answer that question Matt, let me explain it to you as I see it it.

  You lack courage. And are unable to stand up to people that you agree  with on other issues when you know they are wrong, and will only attack  people that you don't like, are socially weak, or others have already  started attacking, mainly people that disagree with you on the  controversial issue of Doug Wilson. 

 I am willing to bet if  you had any real courage, you would have responded in the same manner  as you did to me, to Dan Carscallen and Wayne Fox when they started tag  teaming me with personal attacks unrelated to the subject at hand.

  You don't get the hypocrisy, of Dan Carscallen whining about the  traffic problems on his street for YEARS and even trying to block  disabled kids from entering the neighborhood because of a parking  issue, yet attacking me personally for having a complaint about the  traffic problems in Moscow that are cutting into my savings having to  pay for all the extra gas. That irony has not crossed or phased you on  bit. How BLIND and hypocrtical of you, Matt. 

  Best,

  _DJA

Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:  Keely,

Well said.

Matt

>From: "keely emerinemix" 
>To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, areaman at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] alternative routes
>Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:06:28 -0700
>
>Donovan's snotty tirades against decent people continue.  Dan is a good guy 
>who stuck his neck out to run for office.  Donovan is a flamethrower who 
>aims at people who, well, stick their necks out to run for office or who 
>otherwise work to improve the community.
>
>I don't always agree with Dan, but he doesn't deserve this.
>
>keely
>
>
>From: Donovan Arnold 
>To: Dan Carscallen , vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] alternative routes
>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>"I took issue with what would be increased traffic right next door to  me. 
>It was a valid concern, as traffic has increased."--Dan Carscallen
>
>   Dan,
>
>   So your original complaint to the City is NOW not all the disabled 
>children getting  access to a daycare, but the TRAFFIC of  15 kids being 
>picked up and dropped off? So much a complaint that you  went down to the 
>BOA meeting to launch a complaint with another  neighbor about it and tried 
>to stop it, (even prepared a speech) not  caring about weather the disabled 
>children had another location  available to them. Too many disabled kids 
>doubling your traffic "RUSH 1  minute" as you say, Dan?
>
>  Yet you are barking at me for  complaining about having to turn my 1.5 
>mile trips to 3 mile trips,  which nearly doubles my gas bill which is hard 
>on a guy living below  the poverty line? How ironic Dan. The world does 
>really revolve around  you.
>
>  Look Dan, here comes another political horse, better get  on it because 
>another election is coming soon. If you lose AGAIN, get  together with 
>Wayne Fox and WHINE about it being a big government  conspiracy that rigged 
>the ballots by not lining up the butterfly  ballots to the right name, I 
>will even throw in a new box of color  crayons so Wayne can write his 
>conspiracy on paper with as much life  and color as his emails.
>
>   Your Favorite Pig,
>
>
>Arnold
>
>
>
>
>Dan Carscallen  wrote:  Donovan says:
>".  .  . others, such as yourself, like to complain about disabled
>children moving in next door to you and lowering your property value as
>you testified to the City Council and tried to get them barred from our
>neighborhood."
>
>
>I'm not sure I want to go down this road, because when you wrestle with
>a pig, you both just get dirty, and it just makes the pig happy, but
>let's get a few things straight so the Vizzz peeps know what went down:
>
>1) It wasn't the City Council, it was the Board of Adjustment.
>
>2)I had no issue with property values, I took issue with what would be
>increased traffic right next door to me.  It was a valid concern, as
>traffic has increased.  The house was being rented by a decent bunch of
>college students at the time (finally!), but now there are several
>people making several trips a day, and employees not exactly following
>the parking conditions.  Pretty minor, but I can live with it.
>
>3) After they CUP was granted, I figured "fine, I'll live with it."  I
>had my say, and the Board of Adjustment went the other way.  I was a
>little disappointed at what I saw as some "sore winners" cheering the
>decision.  Not exactly cool, in my opinion.  But no matter, I was going
>to live with it.
>
>4) Since the CUP was issued to make a daycare out of the house, the
>renters got kicked out.  We thought that was okay, since we wouldn't
>have to listen to any more parties late at night.  Then we found out we
>were wrong.  Somehow, in a blatant violation of the CUP, there were all
>the sudden four new renters in that house, raising hell and wreaking
>havoc on the toys and such that are there for the kids.  It seemed VERY
>inappropriate for 4 college age renters to be living in a house that was
>being used as a daycare.  I brought this up with the Community
>Development dept, but they were completely bogged down with every other
>complaint in town.  I thank them, though, for at least acknowledging my
>concerns.  The renters were supposed to be out in January, but they did
>not leave until school let out.  Again, I lived with it.
>
>5) Now, it seems that ownership of the house has changed hands, and
>things seem to be settling into a groove.  Traffic is still more than
>I'd like, but tolerable, and some of the parking conditions are still
>not being met, but we'll hash all that out when they go in for the
>renewal of their CUP.
>
>Sorry for being long-winded, but I just couldn't let this go without
>defending myself to some extent.  Besides, I did wrestle in high school,
>so I think I can take a pig.  Of course, none of this is near as
>dramatic and inflammatory as saying "Dan Carscallen hates the disabled".
>
>By the way, I think I'm going to take my chances and walk downtown to
>the farmer's market this weekend,
>
>DC
>
>P.S.  Donovan, I'm not referring to you as a pig.  I'm using what is
>called a colloquialism.  Or maybe it's a metaphor.  I'll have to look it
>up.
>
>
>
>
>
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