[Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any OtherName)

Wed Apr 26 11:49:22 PDT 2006

Your classes in logic and rhetoric seem to have skipped the part about 
cohesiveness of argument and consistency of reason, Gabe.

People align themselves with Christ Church and NSA willingly, choosing to 
embrace various doctrines and beliefs and eagerly immersing themselves, as 
is their right, in a particular culture that has as its only defining 
characteristic adherence to those same beliefs and acquiescence to policies 
springing from them.  Again, this is well within their rights; it is equally 
within Aaron's rights to disagree publicly and vehemently with those beliefs 
and practices.

This is not, as you might presume, an argument about being "born that way."  
That's not relevant.  What is relevant is that no one is Black,  Jewish, or 
homosexual because of an institution or fellowship they've chosen to align 
themselves with.  I shudder to think that you might be arguing that one's 
status as a student at NSA is somehow an identifier of their personhood in 
the same way sexuality, race, or religion is.  I mean, it's a neat school 
and all, but not even the sweater vests and khakis and black disputatio 
robes are inherent to the wearer's personhood, dapper as they may be.

keely

From: "Gabriel Rench" <k5grench at hotmail.com>
To: <joekc at adelphia.net>, "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at adelphia.net>
CC: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any 
OtherName)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:47 -0700

Joe,

What if Ament expressed the same criticisms about blacks, homosexuals,or
jews?....Jews are jewdroids...homosexuals are homodroids...blacks are
bladroids...  Would you want Aments biased subjectivity participate in the
same sort of decisions?  Cheers! Gabe

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of joekc at adelphia.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:29 AM
To: g. crabtree
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
Subject: [Vision2020] The Same Old Story (was Persecution By Any Other Name)

Is every statement that you and your friends disagree with "irrational"? Is
this an illustration of your level of tolerance, Gary?

Ament voiced his criticisms on this topic prior to the election and, if my
memory serves me well, he gained more votes than ANY other candidate in the
process. Let's stand by the will of the people -- who voted for Ament in
part because of his well-known views on this subject -- whether or not we
agree with their opinions. This is how a democracy functions. Not by trying
to silence critics by any means necessary.

--
Joe Campbell

---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:

=============
I'm not sure what Doug you are referring to in your post but, when it come
to irrational quotes, let's start with his proclaiming NSA as an "education
free zone." I don't care how rabidly partisan you are on this topic, you
simply can not say that the students at Moscow's finest downtown collage are
not learning anything. If nothing else they're learning that the fair
minded, tolerant, liberal elite in our town, really aren't. (and to be sure
they are learning quite a bit more then that)

gc
----- Original Message -----
From: <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen"
<thansen at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name

This is just plain false. There is nothing in Doug's quotations of Ament to
support this. What is irrational about Ament's comments?

This is all just another example of some folks trying to get things done
through something other than the regular channels, a way of doing things
that got folks like Ament worked up in the first place.

--
Joe Campbell

---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:

=============
When you have a city council member make as many disparaging remarks about
NSA as citizen Ament has I think that you can safely take the matter out of
the realm of "paranoia" and move it firmly into the real, live problem
column. Getting ones ducks in a row before the council hears the CUP appeal
seems prudent. Ament clearly has an irrational dislike for "androids."

gc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Persecution By Any Other Name

 > Greetings Visionaires -
 >
 > It seems that NSA attorney Gregory Dickison has requested public records
 > concerning virtually ANYBODY's comments to Councilperson Aaron Ament 
about
 > almost anything.
 >
 > Details concerning this public records request were aired on KRFP this
 > morning.
 >
 > For your listening pleasure:
 >
 > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Dickison_RecReq.mp3
 >
 > Footnote to NSA "management":  Paranoia self-destroya
 >
 > Seeya round town, Moscow.
 >
 > Tom Hansen
 > Just Another Intolerista Liberal Elitista Diversity-Cleansing Wack Nutjob
 > Loose on the Palouse Doing What Comes Natural
 >
 >
 > *************************************************
 >
 > "When people sin, everybody has to pay."
 >
 > - Douglas Wilson of Wilson, Inc. (dba Christ Church) (June 7, 2002)
 >
 > For more details:  http://www.NotOnThePalouse.com
 >
 > *************************************************
 >
 >
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