[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Crazy Train
Warren Hayman
whayman at adelphia.net
Sat Apr 22 11:21:01 PDT 2006
Hello all,
Am I alone in marveling at one of the most complete examples of the
slippery slope fallacy I've seen in some time? My hat is off to the
non-related, non-causal (or at least nothing proved or even shown)
conclusions within the post by Ed Cooper. Breathtaking.
Moreover, the post marries two-thirds of the Abrahamic religions
together, divorces the other third, and I assume consigns the remainder
of the world's religions and practitioners already to the end of the
world which Judeo-Christianity Swiftly (thanks Keely) plummets toward
in this child-eating, homosexual world. Heavens, not even Canada is
sacred if they recognize minority rights, eh?
J Ford mentions the Romans-- thank you J Ford. Weren't they an empire
using a similar argument to quell a minority they feared? I seem to
recall them crucifying the leader of such a group.
Warren Hayman
On Saturday, April 22, 2006, at 10:43 AM, J Ford wrote:
> A. No one is choosing to become a sexual being - they just are, no
> matter what that entails.
> B. There is absolutely no gratification, instant or non, in being
> beaten, spat on, called names, not being allowed the same rights as
> other enjoy (such as adopting or even in some cases, buying of homes),
> insurance and medical coverage denials, etc. in the GAY community or
> life. If you think that, you have another think coming.
> C. As I recall, the Roman society was a highly sexually oriented
> one...as have been the oriental, the Muslim, the Indian, the - well,
> you name it. Books and "manuals" have been written about the ways and
> means of sex from the beginning, INCLUDING the Bible.
>
> Maybe if people would stop defining the world's problems by what is
> going on between their legs, we wouldn't have the denigration of
> society you fear so much as happening. Sorry, but I don't believe
> that having GAY marriages happen is going to make the world stop
> spinning or let the the flood gatges of hell open up and swallow us
> whole.
>
>
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
>> From: "Ed" <ecooper at turbonet.com>
>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Vision2020 Moscow'"
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Crazy Train
>> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:45:03 -0700
>>
>> I think Tom totally missed my point...of course the stripper example
>> was not intended for the same-sex opposition exclusively; it was
>> meant to illustrate how we are quick to condemn the despicable act so
>> gross it's punishable by law. However, when we change so slightly, we
>> fail to see the change in societies integrity, a change that also
>> renders acts previously immoral as moral. And these same acts serve
>> as stepping stones in committing the larger act. (Additionally,
>> switch-hitters are becoming more common as well.) My example (in
>> gestalt form) was specifically meant to illustrate that when we began
>> to accept homosexual marriage and relationships as normal, we morphed
>> from the idea of being a Christian or Judeo-Christian society based
>> on biblical morality. And, of course, this is historically when
>> societies get into trouble--the beginning of the end so to speak. My
>> previous post laid out all the societal dangers for normalizing
>> homosexual activity..... So, some say that there are so few, embrace
>> them. The issue is not how any individual poses a threat to anyone,
>> but how the normalization of homosexuality endangers the entire
>> society. Once you accept one, more come. This once gross act now
>> becomes alluring to impressionable youth, and the frenzy to become
>> homosexual or bi-sexual is upon us. No one thinks about long-term
>> implications, only instant gratification.
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tom Hansen
>> To: 'Ed' ; 'Vision2020 Moscow'
>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:59 AM
>> Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Crazy Train
>>
>>
>> Ed said -
>>
>>
>>
>> "Why oppose same sex marriage? The reasons are endless...
>>
>>
>>
>> Daily, we see news stories that deal with acts so perverse and
>> extreme that we are outraged (why would those boys rape the stripper?
>> why does a man kidnap a young girl with the intent of eating her?
>> Why is the world filled with never-before-seen disease?)"
>>
>>
>>
>> Excuse me, Ed. I seriously doubt that any of the instances cited
>> above were/are the result of same-sex marriages.
>>
>>
>>
>> Boys raping strippers? That sounds more hetero than homo to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, perhaps you are onto something. In the absence of diversity
>> reflected in accepting same-sex marriages, our quaint little town of
>> Moscow will be forced to confine its diversity to wife-swapping
>> parties
>>
>>
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>>
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
>> arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
>> to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other,
>> body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO.
>> What a ride!'"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>>
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Ed
>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:24 AM
>> To: Vision2020 Moscow
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crazy Train
>>
>>
>>
>> As a newcomer to the area and a recent subscriber to this group, I
>> have read each post, concerning the issues that face this community,
>> with enthusiasm and sincere interest. One issue in particular stood
>> out while perusing Joan's entry. She mentioned, "we're facing a
>> constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November
>> ballot."
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought, wow; what better a time than now for concerned citizens
>> to band together and push this thing through? Why not make amends and
>> ally with the pastor of that church (Christ's Church) to accomplish a
>> common goal? I see a lot of religious talk (in this forum) as well as
>> dialogue regarding the future of the community. Rather than being
>> silent on the issue, we should spread the news. This is the ideal
>> medium to initiate an awareness campaign. Let's save our community
>> form the evils that lurk. Same sex marriage today; tomorrow, they'll
>> be petitioning to marry man's best friend. Funny this subject should
>> arise; I think daily of the way the world is going, especially the
>> United States.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why oppose same sex marriage? The reasons are endless...
>>
>>
>>
>> Daily, we see news stories that deal with acts so perverse and
>> extreme that we are outraged (why would those boys rape the stripper?
>> why does a man kidnap a young girl with the intent of eating her? Why
>> is the world filled with never-before-seen disease?). It seems we
>> ignore and tolerate the deviant behavior that leads up to these acts,
>> so gross until we can no longer ignore them. Nobody asks why underage
>> men are drinking, or why females take their clothes off for these
>> drunken men. Nobody questions the sexual behavior that spreads
>> incurable diseases. We simply witness the end effect and wonder how
>> we have arrived at this horrific juncture. If you don't desire the
>> effect, you must change the cause or root.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Equally responsible for the decadence, our nation has turned its
>> back on God-even kicking him out of the schools and courtrooms; we
>> have allowed every conceivable deviant behavior to be normalized and
>> sanitized by extremists in the name of free speech and equal rights.
>> In the extreme, you even hear of churches debating whether or not to
>> allow homosexual clergy and the like....What Bible are they reading?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> These are merely some of the reasons that it is imperative that we
>> band together on this issue; other, more salient, ones follow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Biology, physiology, reproduction, traditional morality, ethics,
>> mindless denigration of the institution of marriage, God's law (the
>> Bible), nature, pervasive, incurable disease, the family, homosexual
>> supremacy groups, loss of masculinity, female mistreatment, not to
>> mention the empirical social-science evidence about what happens in
>> societies where homosexuality is normalized (Netherlands, Canada, and
>> Spain for example). If we sit idly by, we are doomed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Was the naming of "Brokeback Mountain" strategic, symbolic of how
>> our Nation's back/will has been broke by homosexual activists? Well,
>> neither my back nor my will has been broken. I will not sit silently
>> while a vocal minority imposes their disgusting perversions on the
>> rest of the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> In a similar vein....we should refrain from the use of the word
>> "gay" when referring to homosexuals. The innocent word that implies
>> lively and spirited has been hijacked by the far left resulting in
>> some oxymoronic pseudonym.....
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Joan Opyr
>>
>> To: Vision2020 Moscow
>>
>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:34 PM
>>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Crazy Train
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Visionaries:
>>
>> I am done arguing with Donovan. Perhaps not forever, but
>> certainly for
>> now. If list members want to talk about water, let's talk about
>> water.
>> We cannot, however, only talk about water. There's more at
>> stake in
>> the future of Moscow. Smart growth, dumb growth, and anti-growth;
>> growth that benefits the few, not the many. There's also urban
>> renewal, development options, the University of Idaho, traffic
>> along
>> the Miracle Mile, and parking in the downtown retail district.
>> As we
>> get into issues of cultural hegemony and differing visions of what
>> constitutes a healthy and diverse community, we're bound to get
>> into
>> sticky territory. We're facing a constitutional amendment banning
>> same-sex marriage on the November ballot. I expect some
>> important and
>> potentially hot debates over that. And when we do get around to
>> it, I
>> warn you, Pastor You-Know-Who and his You-Know-Church will likely
>> serve
>> as both the tar baby and the briar patch. If
>> He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named
>> takes as active a role in this political fight as he took in the
>> 1994
>> battle over Proposition One, then it's going to get hot in here.
>> Might
>> want to open a window.
>>
>> That said, I think it's important to recognize that unmoderated
>> chat
>> groups are like the railroad tracks in a Roadrunner cartoon. We,
>> the
>> list members, are like Wile E. Coyote. We're on the train,
>> chasing the
>> Roadrunner, when we look out the window and see that we're
>> running out
>> of track. So, we open up the Acme box and hang out on the engine,
>> laying track before the train just as fast as we can. What
>> happens?
>> We find ourselves halfway over a chasm; we look down, pause, and
>> drop,
>> right to the bottom of a deep canyon, where we thump to a halt in
>> a
>> cloud of dust. But we always get back up again. That's the
>> nature of
>> this list, and it's the nature of every other unmoderated list.
>> Freedom of expression is not freedom from annoyance, and if it
>> were,
>> I'd be bored senseless. This is a great community, and I'm always
>> interested to hear what most of you have to say.
>>
>> It's true that my Bozo Bin is wide and deep, and that I filter out
>> quite a few posters, but I have relatives that I don't like,
>> either. I
>> don't want to hang out with them, but I don't think they should be
>> tossed from the family. I still meet up with them once a year at
>> the
>> family reunion, and we watch one another eat fried chicken. (It's
>> always too greasy. Best to stick to the deviled eggs.)
>>
>> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>> www.joanopyr.com
>>
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