[Vision2020] NO real insight

Fri Apr 21 10:40:15 PDT 2006

BIG point of fact here is that CC is NOT a community church; in fact, it is 
not even a community ORIENTED church so your argument there is majorily 
flawed.

Also, given the fact that many, many people who leave the CC have had the 
experiences that are outlined in the scenario given below including a few 
that have and do write to V2020 now (and since you have ABSOLUTELY no 
first-hand knowledge of what you are talking about since you have never been 
in the church) it is with a great deal of satisfaction that we say "Yes! she 
got it right".   You, on the other hand, can not have the same said about 
you as you have no way of knowing.

I must let you know - when they (CC) get tired of toying with you and giving 
you false kudos, you will be on the receiving end of some very serious and 
very sad times.  I don't envy what you will have to go through...I only tell 
you that those times are ahead of you.  They WILL be done with you and your 
patronage sooner or later and you will be dropped.  Don't say you were not 
told.

J  :]

>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, joanopyr at moscow.com,        
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:42:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Is this a joke Reverend Keely? I could swear it was. When has Ms.  Rogers 
>NOT written an email that was intimidating, threatening or  libelous? Hell, 
>she even has a radio show dedicated to it.
>
>   Here is a sample of some of her work:
>
>
>“However, unlike, say, WalMart, once
>
>you join at Doug's God Shop, you cannot simply walk out the door.
>
>You've signed a contract; you've promised to buy from Doug and only
>
>Doug until Kingdom come.  You break this contract at your peril.  The
>
>consequences of leaving?  Character assassination.  Firing.  Loss of
>
>friends.  Loss of income.  Loss (in covenantal theology) of your
>
>relationship with God.”
>
>Now,  in your church that might be common, but I would be awfully upset and 
>  outraged if someone said that about my community church.
>
>   Take Care,
>
>   _DJA
>
>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:  If Joan Opyr ever harrassed, 
>intimidated, threatened, or libeled anyone on
>this list, or anyone else, I would know, because she is my friend.  And
>because I hold her in such high regard, such behavior would precipitate my
>personal, firm, and timely rebuke.  She hasn't.  She is sharp of pen and
>mighty of word, but she has not crossed those lines.
>
>Fortunately, being a dolt isn't a crime, either, however unpleasant I find
>the reading of doltish ramblings and rants . . .
>
>keely
>
>
>From: Donovan Arnold
>To: Joan Opyr , Vision2020 Moscow
>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Joan,
>
>   You ask what laws you have violated. OK, here are a few  for to start.
>Harassment, intimidation, and making threats. As for  libelous, how about
>looking back at some of your own emails and online  publications.
>
>   Refusing to accept the reality that J Ford is  Jackie Woolf, that is 
>fine,
>if you are unable to read her IP address  stamps and match numbers that is
>believable. Some people refuse to read  and believe the dinosaurs were
>around 65 million years ago and not ten  thousand. But then again, just
>because it is published information does  not mean it is any good, I mean
>didn't somebody publish something you  tried to call a book?
>
>    Take Care,
>
>    _DJA
>
>Joan Opyr  wrote:
>On Apr 20, 2006, at 9:08 AM, keely emerinemix wrote:
>
>  > Donovan:
>  >
>  > 1.  You name me with other people and say that they and I "violate the
>  > law."  This is a lie; moreover, it's libelous.
>  >
>  > 2.   If you want to speak of me, speak of me as an individual, not a
>  > member of some group you find distasteful.
>  >
>  > 3.   You've crossed a line here, and it's not good.  Stop it.
>  >
>  > keely
>  >
>
>Keely is correct, and if she doesn't mind, I'll add a few things to her
>list:
>
>1. Name one law that I've violated, Donovan.  Any single one.  Were you
>thinking, perhaps, of Idaho's sodomy laws?  If so, then you need to
>keep up with recent Supreme Court decisions.  You also need a mirror.
>
>2. Like Keely, I am an individual.  The term "intolerista" is a
>Wilsonism I find distasteful, offensive, and with which I do not
>identify.  You will not find me calling myself an intolerista, not even
>for the sake of amusement.  Similarly, I don't expect Dale Courtney or
>Doug Farris to embrace the terms "Dougsciple" or "Doug's Thugs."  These
>terms express my personal disdain for these men, but I wouldn't expect
>to read the word "Dougsciple" in the local newspaper.  The  same should
>be true of the neologism "intolerista."  Unfortunately, "intolerista"
>as been used by the Trib's Jim Fisher and Tom Henderson.  Both should
>be ashamed.  Obviously, it's a been a long time since either attended
>an ethics in journalism class.
>
>3. It is not libel to email Don Huskey personally and tell him that you
>think he's a peeping Tom.  It's rude, crude, stupid and foolish, but
>it's not libel.  When it becomes libel is when you make that accusation
>to a third party, i.e., the hundreds of people on this list.  You have
>long since crossed the line, Donovan.  Step back.  Step back now.
>
>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>www.joanopyr.com
>
>PS: Until or unless J. Ford identifies on this list as Jackie Woolf, I
>will assume J. Ford is J. Ford.  I will also assume that metk7 is
>metk7, that Edna Wilmington is Edna Wilmington, and I will address Faul
>Ottomatticks, Stigmatta X and any number of other pseudonymous posters
>by whatever nom de plumes they happen to choose.  Why not?  George
>Eliot is still George Eliot, and George Sand still George Sand.  For
>all we know, Donovan, you might be Deep Throat.
>
>
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