[Spam] [Vision2020] Re: more on the subject of my evangelical arm

[lfalen]

In addition to McPherson, there was Mary Baker Eddy. I believe that there was one other from that time frame, but can't remember her name.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:43:39 -0700
To: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Re: more on the subject of my evangelical arm

> keely-
> 
> Thanks for your reply...
> 
> I don't really need the arm now.  My injury is healing.  Besides, what is
> this, China, where those who oppose the government (Christians were required
> to register with the Chinese Communist Part if they held Bible studies in
> their homes!) may end up having their body parts raided after being jailed?
> Geez...
> 
> I always tended to think (about once every five years or so, I truly
> "think," but mostly I just "tend to") "fundamentalists" and "evangelicals"
> were close to following the same basic religious beliefs in the world of
> Christian ideology.  Perhaps I have had this wrong.
> 
> I find the question of why there are not more women prominent in the world
> of famous "preachers" in today's society interesting.  Feminism has made
> great gains in rights for women, yet we find that in the past there were
> famous women preachers that were perhaps more widely popular than women
> preachers today.  Perhaps our society is far more sexist at this point in
> time than many suppose, which may explain why the US Congress only has about
> 14-18 percent women representing the populace in 2005:
> 
> http://www.emilyslist.org/newsroom/referenceguide.html
> 
> And I personally believe that at this point in time a women would not win
> the US Presidency, due to the latent or manifest sexism common in US
> society.  The dems. are fools if they nominate Hillary Clinton for the
> presidency.  Her swing to the "middle" will not help.
> 
> In the 1920s a women could be a famous evangelical.  Who was Aimee
> McPherson?
> 
> http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/evangelical/cst-nws-evangbside13.html
> 
> "We had them in the 1920s, but not now," said Julie Ingersoll, an associate
> professor of religious studies at the University of North Florida who is
> author of the book *Evangelical Christian Women: War Stories in the Gender
> Battles. *
> 
> Aimee Semple McPherson, an evangelist who founded Los Angeles' pentecostal
> Foursquare Gospel Church back in the 1920s, is perhaps the best example of
> the kind of female evangelical powerhouse who's missing today, Ingersoll
> said. In her day, McPherson was as well known as a Pat Robertson or Billy
> Graham. Today, even McPherson's own Foursquare church has few women in
> leadership positions, Ingersoll said.
> 
> -------
> 
> Ted Moffett
> 
> 
> On 4/16/06, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I answered too quickly and forgot a couple of other points, namely
> > this:  I
> > can barely lift a five-pound medicine ball with that arm, Ted.  That means
> > the size of a good study Bible with concordance, or a bottle of pinot
> > grigio.  If youwant someone who can do 100 lbs. at a straight lift, you'll
> > have to go find Carl Westberg.
> >
> > I agree, more or less, with the definition provided for "evangelical," but
> > I
> > would not include Reconstructionists, Christian Identity, or King
> > James-only
> > fundamentalists.  Generally, fundamentalists disallow any identification
> > with "evangelicals" and Identity groups hold to a vicious and ugly
> > theology
> > that departs from historic, credal theology on a number of points, not the
> > least of which is its inevitable anti-Semitism.  An alternative definition
> > (from a sociology professor I studied under in college) is this:  a person
> > who, while holding to the traditional creeds of the orthodox (note:  not
> > "Orthodox") historical Christian faith who additionally embraces the
> > following three tenets:  The primacy of Christ as Savior, the need for a
> > personal, regenerative relationship with him, and the importance of
> > personal
> > proclamation of the Gospel.  Sorry, but dismantling worldly institutions
> > to
> > usher in the dominion of the church, thus paving the way for the
> > Millennium,
> > doesn't qualify (Reconstructionism); neither does the absurd belief that
> > the
> > Twelve tribes migrated to what is now Great Britain and that none of them,
> > amazingly enough, were actually Jewish (Identity).  And today's
> > fundamentalists, the KJV-only set, tend to not engage at all with
> > unbelievers and are critical of those who do, which would seem to violate
> > the third tenet of evangelicalism.  (Remember, it was the fundies who
> > blasted that wild-eyed liberal, Billy Graham, in the 1960s for once
> > sharing
> > a podium with -- gasp! -- Jews, Muslims, and . . .
> > Methodists.  Fortunately,
> > Billy survived their rebuke, while fundies now find themselves arguing
> > about
> > who can be nastier in arguing about how damned everyone else is, for the
> > glory of God.
> >
> > And fundies are resolutely patriarchial, which, I think, gets us back to
> > our
> > opening salvo -- a rhetorical, not physical, salvo . . .
> >
> > keely
> >
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