[Vision2020] Immigration, Intolerance, and Issues

Thu Apr 13 13:37:05 PDT 2006

UGH!!!!  Not one person, NOT ONE, has said "Get out town" to these 
people....NOT ONE.  What we have said is "FOLLOW THE LAW!!!"

What part of that don't you get!

YOU, on the other hand have repeatedly made very derogatory remarks against 
people such as Mr. Huskey, who has fought for your right to do so.  YOU have 
continued to make comments against people YOU DON'T KNOW and don't try to 
know and yet you support those you don't know and who CALL FOR THE DEATH of 
people like you and who denigrate the Catholics on a daily basis!

What's up with that!  Why do you continue to do that?  Just what do you get 
out of supporting them?

J  :]

>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: curley at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Immigration, Intolerance, and Issues
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Mr. Curley,
>
>Yes, it is totally possible that someone can be  opposed to immigration and 
>the individual living choices of a group of  people without being a bigot.
>
>  However, when those persons  ONLY file complainants against Black people, 
>has a history of only  filing complaints against Black people, says 
>publicly they hate Black  people,  makes derogatory comments against Black 
>people almost  everyday, and they have said publicly they are trying to 
>drive Black  people from town, then chances are slim to none that they are 
>not  bigots.
>
>   Such is the case with this group of people against New St. Andrews.
>
>   Mr. Curly, what further reasonable evidence do you want demonstrated  
>that they not doing this for concern for living conditions of our  
>communities members but because they are trying to bring injury to a  group 
>of people they disagree with on theological reasons?
>
>   _DJA
>
>
>
>Michael Curley <curley at turbonet.com> wrote:  Matt:
>It is possible that one does not have to be racist to oppose illegal
>immigration.  It is likewise possible that one does not have to be a
>religious intolerista to oppose living arrangements that violate the
>law. or colleges that are (were) illegally located.  or alternative
>high schools that violated the law.
>It is possible to be "white" (whatever that means), not a racist, and
>be opposed to Barry Bonds breaking Ruth's home run records.  It is
>possible to be black/a person of color, not a racist, and be opposed
>to Mark McGwire breaking Aaron's home run record.
>And, it is also possible to be both racist (or an intolerista) and
>oppose each of those events--and, interestingly enough, for (a)
>racist reasons;  (b) totally non-racist reasons; or (c) both.
>The issue and the motivation may or may not be related.  Focusing on
>issues, not epithets, does a lot more to advance understanding.  On
>occasion it even leads to consensus or solutions.
>I take you at your word Matt.
>As many others have suggested, I find the discussion of issues much
>more enlightening than the creativity of the epithets that get thrown
>around on this list.
>Mike
>
>
>From:            "Matt Decker"
>To:              fotopro63 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at Moscow.com
>Date sent:       Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:41:51 -0700
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>
>Kai and all,
>
>I choose to ask if some think I am racist to prove a point. I know I
>am not, however if some are going to throw the R card down so quick,
>then so will I. I know who I am, where I came from, and my life
>experiences. I don't like it when liberals and others call my view of
>illegals immigration racist. Let the facts be facts, Illegals
>immigrants are not citizens of the US. I guess for at least now.
>
>Good night
>matt
>
> >From: "Kai Eiselein"
> >To: vision2020 at Moscow.com
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Imigration
> >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:00:56 +0000
> >
> >Matt,
> >
> >If you'll check back through some earlier posts, you'll find that
> >Keeley and I had a discussion about illegal immigration. To tell the
> >truth, I fully expected to be pilloried by other V2020ers, but
> >wasn't. That is a good thing,  since my ex-wife's maiden name is
> >Rodriguez. After my daughter was born, it dawned on me that being
> >racist would entail me hating my child because of her Hispanic/Native
> >American heritage. And that, my friend, will NOT happen. As long as
> >your stand is taken in a reasoned manner based on fact/personal
> >experience, I doubt that most would drop the "R" bomb. Just as an
> >aside to the terrorism posts, would shooting at Border Patrol agents,
> >from the Mexican side of the border while they are confiscating 164
> >pounds of "Mota" along the fence be construed as terrorism? It
> >happened near Nogales, AZ last week. The border has always been
> >rough, with an element of lawlessness permeating it, but it seems to
> >becoming more and more a war zone.
> >
> >
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