[Vision2020] Well Goosh Ralph

[Phil Nisbet]

Sunil

If I am not British and curse and condemn the government of Britain by 
claiming that they control all the power and money in the world, I can quite 
safely be said to be anti-British.

What the article in essence is saying is that a Cabal of Jews controls the 
US government.  It warns that by following the advice of this Jewish Cabal, 
Bush and the GOP are moving toward what the author says will be the 
"Israelization" of the Western World.

Similar statements have floated out of Cindy Sheehan and are now becoming 
current in the Peace Movement.  I highly recommend that you read Susan 
Estrich, who as Hilary's main squeeze can hardly be called a Conservative or 
a Republican, on that very subject.  The remarks are not a critique of US or 
Israeli policy, they are flat out anti-Semitic.

US Foreign policy is not run by some secret cabal of Jews with an all 
powerful lobby effort.  The actual most powerful money holding Jew in the 
USA is anti-Israel and is the largest financier of both the Peace Movement 
and of Moveon.org.

Anti-Semites are famous for their use of code language.  Hitler did not pack 
people into cattle cars to ship them to death camps; he resettled them in 
concentration camps with signs above the gates saying Work Makes Freedom.  
The Nazis did not carry out genocide; they came to a Final Solution to the 
Jewish Problem.

Now we have groups that use the Term Neo-Con to mean Conservative Jews and 
suggest that these few middle level functionaries are somehow conspiring 
successfully and control American Policy.  It’s not even humorous that they 
have received endorsement from David Duke, the KKK and the various Nazi 
groups here in the US supporting the Peace Movement’s move.

Instead of dealing with their anti-Semitism, what we get is a lame excuse 
that by calling them what their actions show them to be, we are to blame.

Saddam was not a nice little secular Sunni leader and Iraq under his regime 
was not a wonderful and stable place for Westerners.  The Baathists were and 
are a Nazi Party, a National Socialist racist political organization.  
Leaving Saddam in Power did not make the Middle East a stable place to be.

Jews did not set the table in a secret cabal that controls finance and the 
media and therefore politics in the USA, to invade and destabilize Iraq or 
the region.  De-stabilization does not serve the American Jewish Community 
nor does it serve the interests of Israel.  The only thing that would 
benefit Israel or the US or the American Jewish community, would be a stable 
democratic Iraq that did not have the kinds of political ambitions for 
Middle East domination of either the Baathist Pan Arab Nazi kind or the 
Pan-Islamist Jihad kind.

PNAC, AIPAC and other similar organizations may be lobby groups, but they 
have one heck of a lot less clout and one heck of a lot less money than AARP 
or Sierra Club or Farm Bureau or the Trail Lawyers Association.  Indeed, 
there is more Islamic money floating around the halls of Congress than there 
is Jewish or Israeli money.

Yet we get the continuing routine that supposedly secret cabals of Jews 
control America.  That is the old plaint of the BS text put out by the 
Tsarist Secret Police called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, one of 
Hitler’s and all anti-Semites favorite conspiracy theory.

So, Sunil, if I posted that a giant Indian conspiracy existed to gain world 
domination of the computer industry and that some third tier bureaucrat in 
the Commerce Department whose family was originally from Madras was secretly 
plotting this move, would I be an anti-Indian bigot?  What if at the same 
time I claimed that India was allowed to get the bomb through a secret 
protocol set up by powerful Indian Lobbyists?  Hey look at it, all those 
Indian ‘rich’ people, and all those college grads in science and 
engineering; you know how clannish they are?

So if I start waving Free Kashmir signs that show India with a Swastika on 
it at the next Peace Movement function, would that be legitimate?  How about 
claiming that India is setting up genocide for Muslims?  Hey, maybe we 
invaded Iraq to put down the Muslims for a secret cabal of Indian business 
leaders who want to control oil and regional trade.  You know how those 
Hindus are. . .

If I made the statements in the above two paragraphs, I would be flat out a 
racist and nobody would be saying, hey, he is just anti-Indian Government 
and their policies.

Phil Nisbet



>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Well Goosh Ralph
>Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:57:50 -0700
>
>
>
>Phil,
>
>I don't think I'm the only one who's a little confused by your post.  I 
>took another look at the article, and I don't see a serious anti-Semitic 
>slant.  Anti-Sharon or -Netanyahu perhaps, but I wouldn't call the Israelis 
>who vote against them anti-Semitic.  My disagreements with American or 
>Indian politicians don't make me anti-American or anti-Indian; they're 
>political disagreements, nothing else.
>
>Do you disagree with his take on the influence of Iran on the state we're 
>so cleverly creating?  I think it's right on the money. I don't think the 
>Bushies saw it coming, but it's what they've done. A sense of history might 
>have helped them out earlier. Even their darling Chalabi, who the Defense 
>Department couldn't wait to install in Iraq, is hanging out with the 
>Iranians, or at least that's what we accuse him of now.
>
>I agree with much of what the article says, though I'd question the numbers 
>- I doubt hundreds of thousands of Westerners will be killed because of 
>this war over the next few decades, but I think hundreds, perhaps thousands 
>will.  But perhaps I'm being Pollyanish, and he's right.
>
>You haven't addressed specifically any of his claims or arguments.  Where 
>do you think he's wrong?
>
>BTW, I don't think there was any conspiracy: the Project for a New America 
>was right out there in public, not hiding a thing. It would have been nice 
>to discuss their arguments for this war, instead of the crap that was 
>discussed instead.  Perhaps then we could have had a serious discussion 
>prior to the invasion.
>
>Sunil
>

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