[Vision2020] Apology

[Art Deco]

Donovan,

You are so predictable.

W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: "Joan Opyr" <joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:18 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Apology


>A couple of things I need to say here.
>
> First, I want to apologize for saying some things I
> should not have said to Joan Opyr. My personal attack
> on her, although in direct response to her attacking
> me first, was not appropriate for a public forum. So I
> apologize.
>
> Second, while I do not deny nor defend my personal
> attacks on some people which I have only ever done
> when the person I attacked, attacked me first, or
> attacked someone else in the community unfairly,
> harshly, and/or in a despicable manner first.
>
> Third, many of you like to gang up on people, anyone
> outside your "pack", but I am your favorite. For
> example, Joan will launch a personal attack on me
> first, so I respond, and Hansen calls me on making a
> response as though I started it. This is WAY to biased
> and your typical behavior.
>
> Fourth, Joan remarked, "Why is it that when anyone
> writes that he or she hates to say it, but they agree
> with Donovan" The answer is simple, anyone that agrees
> with Donovan on Vision 2020 gets ripped a new asshole
> by Joan, Wayne, Hansen, Jackie, Saundra, and a few
> others for daring to have a different opinion. So they
> remain quiet and private email me. I have a few dozen
> private emails from people each month. I have lots of
> Liberals, Conservatives, and Moderates, some prominent
> people in this community, and even friends with Joan,
> Hansen, and the gang, but hesitate to express their
> opinion in public because they do not want to be
> treated the way you treat me. They want to avoid that
> thrashing, even your friends.
>
> The truth is that many of you on here, particularly,
> Joan, Jackie, Tom, Rose, and Wayne, are just outright
> mean people to anyone and almost everyone that differs
> with you, your friends even tell me so. I am one of
> the few stupid enough to stand against your cruelty to
> others in our community.
>
> Your cruelty has not limits or rules. The lot of you,
> for example, just tear into Pat Kraut as a person, as
> thought she is not allowed to express a opinion. this
> is wrong.
>
> Next, I do not make excuses for my misbehavior. I know
> that responding to a nasty email to me with another
> nasty email is wrong. I do not defend my behavior as
> being appropriate or OK because this is Vision 2020 or
> the person said something I did not like. I respond to
> nasty emails because it is a reaction and weakness to
> respond to cruel comments.
>
> Finally, Joan Opyr writes:"Perhaps the poster expects
> the rest of us to be more mature than Donovan?"
>
> Yes, Joan, yes I do. I do expect people that are
> 25-125% older than me, with Master's Degrees and PhD's
> to boot, many working the University, to be more
> mature than me, a person barely in adulthood with only
> a Bachelor degree and a disability that impacts my
> ability to always properly read social ques. You bet I
> expect it, and I know you, Hansen, Fox, Jackie, Rose
> Lund, and more are more than capable of it.
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>
> --- Joan Opyr <joanopyr at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Visionaries:
>>
>> Why is it that when anyone writes that he or she
>> hates to say it, but they agree with Donovan, it is
>> always because Donovan has chosen to castigate the
>> rest of us for doing something of which he himself
>> is grotesquely guilty, e.g., rudely personalizing a
>> political discussion?  Perhaps the poster expects
>> the rest of us to be more mature than Donovan?  If
>> so, that's too bad.  This list, while informative,
>> entertaining, and often downright fun, is also, like
>> most other chat groups, high school all over again.
>> We blow off steam as we each see fit, and there's
>> been plenty of steam to go around of late.
>> Post-Katrina, this place has been quite the pressure
>> cooker.
>>
>> Do some of us sometimes go too far?  Of course.  But
>> it's largely harmless, and I say (in general) hooray
>> for the pressure valve.  Sometimes, it's post an
>> insult or bust wide open.  You don't want to read
>> about Donovan's butt or Dale Courtney's comb-over?
>> Then my advice is to delete.  My greatest concern
>> isn't that I have to read about these things, but
>> that I occasionally have to view them.
>>
>> In the immortal words of Alice Roosevelt, if you
>> don't have anything nice to say about someone, then
>> come sit by me.
>>
>> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>> www.auntie-establishment.com
>>
>> PS: To take this to the national level, I've
>> discovered that the only effective counter-irritant
>> to George W. Bush's perpetual smirk is a good, stiff
>> vodka.  As we're in for three more years of that
>> smirk, I fear that my liver will wind up the size of
>> a backpack.  Any good vodka drink recipes, anyone?
>> I like kamikazes, but I long for some variation.
>>
>>
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