[Vision2020] RE: Homeland Security Dept. Failure!

[Donovan Arnold]

Debi,

The gender of the mayor does not change the logic of
Pat's argument. 

Also, if you reread the sentence you will see that Pat
did not call the mayor a she, Pat just used bad
grammar. 

"So, apparently you have not seen the interview with
the Mayor who said she (replace "she" with the words
"the Governor") waited 24 hours before doing
anything." 

Interpretation: Pat said that the Mayor said the
Governor(who is the "she" referred to by the mayor)
waited 24 hours before doing anything. 

Got it?

Donovan J Arnold




--- debismith at moscow.com wrote:

> Pat, the Mayor of the city is a he, not a she. You
> may be talking about the Governor, who is a 
> she. Once again, erroneous conclusions from lack of
> information and attention to fact do not 
> an argument make....
> Debi Robinson-Smith
> 
> 
>  From:           	"Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> To:             	"vision2020"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject:        	Re: [Vision2020] RE: Homeland
> Security Dept. Failure!
> Date sent:      	Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:36:23 -0700
> 
> So, apparently you have not seen the interview with
> the Mayor who said she waited 24 hours 
> before doing anything. No food, water in the dome,
> long waits before declarations these two 
> people need to be out of office!
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Tbertruss at aol.com 
>   To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: Homeland Security
> Dept. Failure!
> 
> 
> 
>   Phil et. al.
> 
>   Phil clearly demonstrates he is bending statements
> of facts, or not bothering to check his 
> facts, to suit his agenda in his comments on
> Louisiana Governor Blanco's conduct regarding 
> the Louisiana National Guard and response to
> Katrina, and the possible impact of the absence 
> of Louisiana National Guard resources in Iraq:
> 
>   Consider Phil's comments on 9/03/05 subject headed
> "Of Deltas and CO2:"
> 
>   "The response of the Louisiana Governor was not to
> have pre0positioned her 
>   Guard assets, except for a few and she also failed
> to call on additional 
>   assets by pre-declaring state of Emergency and
> disaster." 
>   -------------------------
> 
>   The above comment by Phil was/is flat out false! 
> The fact it is false was/is easily determined 
> by a simple Google search, which is where I found
> the following documentation proving that 
> Blanco did pre-declare a State of Emergency before
> Katrina hit:
> 
>  
>
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=973
> 
>   Friday, August 26 declaration of State of
> Emergency by Louisiana Governor Blanco.  This 
> declaration did activate some Louisiana National
> Guard.
>   -------------------------
> 
>   And again from Phil's post on 9/03/2005 subject
> headed "Of Deltas and CO2:"
> 
>   "The law is pretty plain, the Governor has to ask
> the Feds to step in.  She 
>   did not do so until Tuesday, by which time it was
> darn difficult to get into 
>   the area.'' 
> 
>   ------------------------- 
> 
>   Really?  Blanco did not ask the Feds to step in
> till Tuesday?  Then consider this letter to 
> President Bush, dated Saturday, August 27, before
> Katrina hit:
> 
>   Governor Blanco sends letter to President Bush
> requesting that he declare a state of 
> emergency Sat. August 27, 2005.  This letter makes
> it very clear that Governor Blanco wants 
> federal help, that the pending disaster may be more
> than state and local resources can cope 
> with, and it even contains details on sharing
> funding, granting right of way, and release from 
> damages to do requested work!
> 
>  
>
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976
> 
>   And evidence that Blanco had already accepted
> National Guard troops from another state in 
> direct contact with the governor of that state
> before Katrina hit further contradicts Phil's claim 
> that Blanco was the bottleneck:
> 
>  
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_national_guard
> 
>   >From the news story above:
> 
>   New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana
> Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his 
> state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before
> Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco 
> accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en
> route didn't come from Washington until 
> late Thursday
>   -------------------------
> 
>   Again, as the info presented above demonstrates,
> Phil either did not check certain critical 
> facts, or quoted them from unknown sources who were
> wrong.  Several other comments made 
> by Phil in this post regarding local response to
> Katrina were false, but the errors I 
> demonstrated above are enough.
> 
>   Mistakes were made at all levels of the Katrina
> disaster, from individuals who lived in the flood 
> prone areas all the way to the top, President Bush. 
> 
>   But why did Phil seem so focused in his post (on
> 9/03/05, subject headed "Of Deltas and 
> CO2") on blaming state and local officials with
> false statements of fact, and not the federal 
> government, for the slow federal response time to
> this huge disaster?  A federal response that 
> would have required massive assistance, even if the
> New Orleans's flood protection system 
> had not failed, even if local and state officials
> had pre-positioned more critical assets for 
> survival, even if they had evacuated more of the
> poor and disadvantaged with limited means to 
> escape?  Even skipping New Orleans, the devastation
> of Biloxi, Gulf Port and other coastal 
> areas in Mississippi required a rapid extensive
> federal response that many agree was too slow 
> to materialize.
> 
>   And why is Phil so intent in that post on proving
> that the National Guard from Louisiana sent 
> to Iraq, along with all the important equipment they
> took with them, could not have saved one 
> single more life in this disaster, one single person
> who would have lived if the thousands of 
> Louisiana National Guard, and all the critical
> equipment they took with them to foreign soil, had 
> been at home in Louisiana?
> 
>   Phil has no proof that these Louisiana National
> Guard resources in Iraq could not have saved 
> extra lives in this disaster.  In fact, it is more
> reasonable to assume the absence of these 
> resources led to more lives being lost, than to
> assume this absence made no difference 
> whatsoever.
> 
>   Is it not possible that the best and most capable
> Louisiana National Guard troops, along with 
> the best equipment they likely took with them, were
> the troops missing from Louisiana when 
> Katrina hit?  Or should we contemplate that we sent
> the worst of the worst of Louisiana's 
> National Guard and their support equipment to Iraq? 
> 
>   --------------------------
>   PM Thursday, September 1, 2005 
> 
>   New Orleans Disaster: Where’s the National
> Guard? 
> 
>   NANCY LESSIN, 
> 
>   mfso at mfso.org 
> 
>   http://www.mfso.org
> 
>   Lessin is a founder of Military Families Speak
> Out. She said today: 
> 
>   "The numbers we have are that there are 11,000
> National Guard personnel 
>   from Louisiana, of whom about 3,000 are in Iraq
> with most of the heavy 
>   equipment. This included generators and high-water
> and other vehicles 
>   which could assist with the rescue effort." 
>   --------------------------
>   V2020 post by Ted Moffett
> 
> 
> 
>
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