[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 26 15:19:20 PDT 2005
I don't know Sunil, what is your position on the
Taliban?
You stated to me they had nothing to do with the
attacks on 9/11. If this your position, you are
incorrect, they were.
But hey, I am glad we agree that the police are not a
bunch of bigoted dumb males that automatically assume
when a woman calls in saying she was raped they are
not telling the truth. What better way to keep victims
from calling in for help than to spread those lies
around, huh?
Take Care,
Donovan J Arnold
--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wrote:
---------------------------------
I don't think the particular officers said they were
misquoted; I thought Ayers said they were wrong.
There's a difference.
But Donovan, given your devotion to accuracy, does
this mean you will admit you leapt to conclusions
about my positions regarding the Taliban?
Sunil
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From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>,
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on
Rape --
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
>Keely,
>
>Now that we know the paper made an error, and that
the
>police are not a bunch of idiots after all, I hope
you
>will apologize like a good Christian that you claim
to
>be, to me and them for implying such with so much
>nastiness as you did.--But I will not hold my breath
>since you only seem to be a Christian when it suits
>your own interests.
>
>Take Care,
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>PS, Yes, I have taken several journalism classes and
>even had an article published, I am currently working
>on a minor in communications with my Masters. You can
>also make fun of my experiences as a Senator in the
>ASUI and as Chief of Staff of the Graduate and
>Professional Student Association. However, I learned
a
>great deal and I encourage any student to get
involved
>in their representative government on any level to
>help people, be involved, learn, and contribute
>something positive back to their community. I hope
you
>learn to be more respectful of those that serve in
>uniform and others that serve their community.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------Keely Mix
>Wrote:
>
>Ignoring that little voice in my head that says
"don't
>even start," I
>nonetheless will say this, Donovan:
>
>While I agree that newspapers sometimes get it wrong
>-- and yes, I've
>been
>misquoted, too -- I have a hard time imagining that
>after reading a
>story
>like that, normal people would say, "By golly, I bet
>that poor cop was
>misquoted! Yes, that must be it -- it's the ONLY
>LIKELY POSSIBILITY!"
>It's
>even harder for me to imagine the following exchange:
>
>Reader to LMT: Hi, I just read an article that made
>the cops quoted
>sound
>like real idiots. Now, tell me, Mr. Editor -- did
>they really say
>that, or
>were you just kidding?
>
>Editor: No, it's no joke at all. We're a newspaper,
>not MAD magazine.
>
>Reader: So, was the officer's speech so florid or so
>convoluted that
>your
>reporter was unable to grasp the simple information
>stated therein?
>Did you
>guys screw up? Because I know you do that.
>
>Editor: Damn. You caught us. Here are the
>reporter's notes, and it's
>clear that he really said 70 percent of cases brought
>to trial didn't
>result
>in a conviction. Or something like that, I dunno.
>Yep, we really blew
>it
>but were hoping no one found out. Thanks for making
>us aware of it,
>sir.
>
>Reader (flush with triumph): See, Keely, Debi and
>Andreas really ARE
>stupid
>after all!
>
>Now, Donovan, it no doubt makes you feel better to
>think that, but that
>may
>explain why your abundant experience and unparalleled
>service in UI
>Student
>Government didn't include a stint in print
journalism.
> And yet the
>Fourth
>Estate survives . . . somehow.
>
>keely
>
>--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Ignoring that little voice in my head that says
> > "don't even start," I
> > nonetheless will say this, Donovan:
> >
> > While I agree that newspapers sometimes get it
wrong
> > -- and yes, I've been
> > misquoted, too -- I have a hard time imagining
that
> > after reading a story
> > like that, normal people would say, "By golly, I
bet
> > that poor cop was
> > misquoted! Yes, that must be it -- it's the ONLY
> > LIKELY POSSIBILITY!" It's
> > even harder for me to imagine the following
> > exchange:
> >
> > Reader to LMT: Hi, I just read an article that
made
> > the cops quoted sound
> > like real idiots. Now, tell me, Mr. Editor -- did
> > they really say that, or
> > were you just kidding?
> >
> > Editor: No, it's no joke at all. We're a
> > newspaper, not MAD magazine.
> >
> > Reader: So, was the officer's speech so florid or
> > so convoluted that your
> > reporter was unable to grasp the simple
information
> > stated therein? Did you
> > guys screw up? Because I know you do that.
> >
> > Editor: Damn. You caught us. Here are the
> > reporter's notes, and it's
> > clear that he really said 70 percent of cases
> > brought to trial didn't result
> > in a conviction. Or something like that, I dunno.
> > Yep, we really blew it
> > but were hoping no one found out. Thanks for
making
> > us aware of it, sir.
> >
> > Reader (flush with triumph): See, Keely, Debi and
> > Andreas really ARE stupid
> > after all!
> >
> > Now, Donovan, it no doubt makes you feel better to
> > think that, but that may
> > explain why your abundant experience and
> > unparalleled service in UI Student
> > Government didn't include a stint in print
> > journalism. And yet the Fourth
> > Estate survives . . . somehow.
> >
> > keely
> >
> >
> > From: Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>,
> > debismith at moscow.com,
> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article
on
> > Rape --
> > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:32:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > Many of you seem to be jumping to conclusions
here.
> > How do we know for fact that any police office
said
> > that 70% of rapes reported are false? Because you
> > read
> > it in the paper? Give me a break!
> >
> > The Police were probably misquoted, or the words
did
> > not come out correctly, or the reporter misquoted
or
> > paraphrased incorrectly.
> >
> > 95% of the time that I read something outrageous
> > from
> > a local authority quoted in the paper, it usually
> > turns out that the people did not say what they
> > paper
> > said they said, or were taken completely out of
> > context.
> >
> > Perhaps the police officer said, 70% of rapes do
not
> > lead in a conviction, so that meant "false",
either
> > to
> > the officer, or the reporter.
> >
> > I hardly doubt that any trained, experienced
police
> > officer, that is required to attend a sexual
> > harassment and abuse conference or class every
year
> > would say, or intend to imply that 7 out of 10
women
> > that report rape are liars, even if they believed
> > that
> > to be the case.
> >
> > Just because something is reported in the media,
or
> > printed in black and white, does not make it true,
> > look at FOX news. Did any of you call and confirm
> > this
> > information as being accurate?
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> > --- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > While the 8% national average for false reports
> > > maybe low, 70% is obviously a way too high. The
> > > tragedy of articles like this is that there
will
> > be
> > > more rapes going unreported.
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: debismith at moscow.com
> > > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:40:36 -0700
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on
> > Rape
> > > --
> > >
> > > > Having just completed the YWCA Week Without
> > > Violence and the Clothesline Project at
> > > > WSU, I read the article and cried. The
> > Clothesline
> > > Project consists of over 600 t-shirts painted
> > > > over 14 years. Each shirt is painted by a
> > survivor
> > > or supporter of someone who was assaulted,
> > > > most speaking of sexual assault. We know many
> > of
> > > these women, we know they didn't report
> > > > the assault, and we know why they choose to
not
> > be
> > > re-victimized by the type of troglodites
> > > > exhibited by that newspaper story.
> > > >
> > > > To suggest that 70% of reported rapes are
false
> > is
> > > completely insane. Why would anyone
> > > > report a sexual assault if the police already
> > plan
> > > to discount it? It must be true that going to
> > > > Lewiston means you move 30 miles down the
hill
> > and
> > > 30 years into the past...
> > > >
> > > > These officers desperately need remedial
> > training.
> > > I would suggest they be required to come
> > > > hang the Clothesline Project, and read the
> > stories
> > > of the people they call liars. And they should
> > > > be put on non-paid leave until they
do.....next
> > > year, third week in October.
> > > >
> > > > Debi Robinson-Smith, YWCA of WSU
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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