[Vision2020] 9 Cases of Brain-Wasting Disease in Idaho

[Mark Solomon]

Usually works the other way in the slaughterhouses.

Mark Solomon

At 11:30 AM -0700 10/24/05, Carl Westberg wrote:
>But what about the chance of being bludgeoned to 
>death with a hammer by a very mad 
>cow?                                                               
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>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>To: gussie443 at hotmail.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 9 Cases of Brain-Wasting Disease in Idaho
>>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:54:16 -0700
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>>Ellen
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>>Interestingly the prion based disease that 
>>infects deer and elk populations is a 
>>completely different disease than either Mad 
>>Cow or the three more common human prion 
>>diseases.  There are instances where it has 
>>indeed hit human populations in Wyoming and 
>>Montana.  Thing is that its still a pretty 
>>minor situation, since you are more likely to 
>>be blugeoned to death with a hammer than ever 
>>get a prion disease.
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>>Phil Nisbet
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>>>From: "Ellen Roskovich" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 9 Cases of Brain-Wasting Disease in Idaho
>>>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:21:30 -0700
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>>>There have been a number af articles on this 
>>>subject over the past few months. . . usually 
>>>they're buried in the back pages. . . not 
>>>headline news.  I found it interesting that 
>>>brain-wasting disease is not limited to just 
>>>cows but just about every warm-blooded critter 
>>>in our food chain. In the case of the 
>>>St.Maries woman, it was suggested that her 
>>>case might be due to venison.  The article I 
>>>read said that hunters have known for years 
>>>that there is a danger of getting ill and 
>>>dying.  That surprised me because I never 
>>>heard it mentioned among friends who hunt. 
>>>They never said a thing when they wanted to 
>>>share their pot roast!
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>>>Ellen
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>>>From:  "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To:  vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject:  [Vision2020] 9 Cases of Brain-Wasting Disease in Idaho
>>>Date:  Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:24:56 -0700
>>>>http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/cjd/detail_cjd.htm
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>>>>Not to put to fine a point on it Dick, BSE is not TSE.  You can get
>>>>Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease from a whole lot of things, including
>>>>simply being unlucky enough to get it genetically, but its not Mad
>>>>Cow derived.  All of the suspected cases in Idaho you refer to are
>>>>for TSE, in people in later life and not the younger folks who are
>>>>suspected of getting BSE.
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>>>>It looks like your AP article is alarmist in not pointing out that
>>>>the TSE related Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is
>>>completely unrelated to
>>>>Prion's found in Mad Cow's Disease.  The people involved are more
>>>>likely to have recieved human growth hormones, a cornea transplant,
>>>>or some other procedure which made them vulnerable to the kinds of
>>>>prion degenerative action which lead to their deaths.  You can even
>>>>note that two of those actually checked were determined not to have
>>>>TSE at all, but more likely suffered from some other form of
>>>>dementia, meaning that you only have three confirmed actual cases,
>>>>four possible cases and two which were not cases at all in your list
>>>>of nine.  So of the three, which had a a possible link to genetic
>>>>CJD or the other two possible forms?
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>>>>So perhaps, since the CDC does not think that its related to
>>>>anything is reason to assume that reality is
>>>that its only three
>>>>cases and that those three cases are typical of mormative TSE
>>>>related CJD?  That sems most likely and therefore not cause to go on
>>>>an anti-Beef campaign.
>>>>
>>>>Phil Nisbet
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