[Vision2020] MORE Data about WalMart VS Gritman

[B. J. Swanson]

Donovan,

 

There’s not an ounce of truth in anything you wrote.  Please stop.

 

B. J. Swanson

 

PS:  There are no doctors included in the salary numbers (doctors are not
employed by Gritman) and the AVERAGE includes ALL employees, not just
nurses.

 

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:42 AM
To: bjswan at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] MORE Data about WalMart VS Gritman

 

BJ Swanson,


you sound more and more just like a big Wal-Mart executive. 

"Many prefer to work part-time.  I believe the salaries are very fair and
Gritman (Wal-Mart) contributes a great deal back to the community both in
the better than living wage salaries and benefits paid and in charity care.
"-BJ Swanson

But Wal Mart workers, always prefer full time work right? So it fair to
attack them for paying part time wages for part time work? Either way, 17 of
your 20 job postings are part-time, or 0-19.5 hours a week.  You cannot tell
me that 17 out 20 people looking for work only want to work 0-19.5 hours a
week, or could live on that wage.  
"Gritman has about 400 employees that equates to 282 full time equivalents."

This means that almost 1/3 of your workforce is making less then the minimum
needed to survive in Moscow, according to your own words.

"The AVERAGE hourly wage is $20.77 per hour plus benefits."

Yes, but if you exclude doctors, what does that wage go down to, BJ? If you
exclude the truck drivers that work for Wal-Mart, it is only fair that we
get to exclude the doctors that make about $70-$150 an hour from that
average of $20.77. Anyone knows, that 10-20% at the top making $100 an hour
can skew that statistical average.

"I think the majority of Gritman employees will tell you it is a great place
to work."

Why, do you think this BJ?  Simply because you have not had the misfortune
of a nurse that was so stupid as to tell the chair of a board that they do
not like working for you? Honestly, you cannot believe someone is that
stupid? Why do nurses tell me that nursing is a bad labor market on the
Palouse because they cannot find full time work?  

Another Wal-Mart Statement:

"If the nurses were paid 50% less than other hospitals, as you say, we would
likely have no nurses."

Gritman is the only major place for a nurse to work in this area. Of the 2.2
million RNs c! overed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the mean annual
wage was $52,810..... You pay an average of $20 an hour. By simple
calculation, the average nurse works 36 hours a week (3 12 hour shifts),
that is $30.34 an hour, you pay $20.77, that is 50% less than the market
rate for a nurse. 

You will find that many nurses move here because of their spouse's work.
With Gritman being one of the few places they can work, they are required to
take 20 hours or less positions, or nothing.

"Gritman’s salaries are comparable to other hospitals in this area."

Oh please BJ, how many hospitals do you think we have in Latah? 

"The part-time employees who are not eligible for benefits receive an
additional 15% higher salary than the full time employees who have
benefits."

WRONG, part time employees get a 15% increase because of odd hours. Further,
even if your savvy business spin was true, a 15% increase in pay does not
even come close to covering the costs of medical bills or the matching
benefits that most hospitals offer in retirement plans. 

 

 

“Gritman is not hiring Licensed Practical Nurses and hasn’t for many years.
Gritman currently has only two LPN’s who are long time employees.”

 

The general direction of the country is to eliminate the LPNs. However, I
know that Gritman employs LPNs because I have spoken to several of them,
however, Gritman does not call them LPNs, in other words, they changed the
name. 

 

“I don’t know about the environmental record of Sun Pacific Energy.”

 

Well, if you do no! t know about the destruction of the environment that
your company engages in, it certainly is justifiable that you continue to
fund it.

 

 

“ since you accuse Donald H. Livingstone of having “close ties to
Sodexho-Marriot” just because he is a professor in the Marriott School of
Business at BYU.  Do you presume that all those who teach in the J. A.
Albertson building at the U-I have ‘close ties to Albertson’s?’”

 

Professor Livingstone is not just a professor at the Marriot School of
Business. But even if there was “no political connection”, do you think a
man of moral conscious would have trouble working in a building with the
name of company slapped on the side that has the worst international human
rights record in the world?



 

Take Care,

 

Donovan J Arnold




"B. J. Swanson" <bjswan at moscow.com> wrote:

Donovan,

 

You seem to have reached the height of false information and total
confusion.  In another post today you mentioned, “This all ! depends on what
is considered acceptable data collection
”  So, where are you collecting
your data because it is not correct.

 

Gritman hires a number of part-time and on-call employees, just like the
U-I, WSU, Wal-Mart, etc. Many prefer to work part-time.  I believe the
salaries are very fair and Gritman contributes a great deal back to the
community both in the better than living wage salaries and benefits paid and
in charity care.  Gritman has about 400 employees that equates to 282 full
time equivalents.  The AVERAGE hourly wage is $20.77 per hour plus benefits.
The part-time employees who are not eligible for benefit! s receive an
additional 15% higher salary than the full time employees who have benefits.
Gritman’s salaries are comparable to other hospitals in this area.  If the
nurses were paid 50% less than other hospitals, as you say, we would likely
have no nurses.  Gritman is not hiring Licensed Practical Nurses and hasn’t
for many years.  Gritman currently has only two LPN’s who are long time
employees.  The salaries and benefits Gritman pays are among the best in the
area.  I think the majority of Gritman employees will tell you it is a great
place to work.  You seem to accuse Gritman of being cheap, but it wasn’t too
long ago you were complaining about the high cost of healthcare and medical
insurance.  If you would like to pay more, then Gritman could pay more too.

 

I don’t know about the environmental record of Sun Pacific Energy.  I’m a
little suspicious of your judgment on that since you accuse Donald H.
Livingstone of having “close ties to Sodexho-Marriot” just because he is a
professor in the Marriott School of Business at BYU.  Do you presume that
all those who teach in the J. A. Albertson building at the U-I have “close
ties to Albertson’s?”

 

B. J. Swanson

 

 

 

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From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:42 AM
To: bjswan at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Data about WalMart VS Gritman

 

BJ Swanson, 

 

! 

You have no doubt reached the height of your hypocrisy with your latest
email. As Chair of the Gritman Board of Directors you are no doubt aware
that Gritman pays less than $10.50 an hour plus benefits for many of its
employees, “The “living wage” in Moscow is around $10.50 an hour plus
benefits.  $10.50 an hour is the level where workers are able to
“maintain.”, as your own words claim.

 

Gritman purposely creates licensed staff po! sitions for 19.5 hours or less
a week at less than $20 an hour so it does not have to pay full-time
benefits to its employees.  Gritman pays its nurses almost 50% less, $20 an
hour, tha! n the average entry level nurse, $30 an hour. It also uses and
abuses the practice of Licensed Practical Nurses, or LPNs, instead of
Registered Nurses, or RNs, because they can get away with paying them 20-40%
less even though they can do about 85% of the work an RN can. LPNs were
originally created during WWII because of the lack of RNs and Doctors. They
should not be used in place of RNs to save Gritman money.

 

As anyone can read for themselves, at
http://www.gritman.org/careers/careers.asp most of the jobs listed are “(0 -
39 hours per 2 week pay period)”. That is less than 19.5 hours a week. At a
MAXIMUM start rate of $20 an hour, that is less than $10 hour for a full
time worker. And at less than 20 hours a week they are not getting benefits.


 

Gritman also employs certified nurses assistants, cafeteria workers,
phlebotomists, house keepers, gift shop workers, and other medical
assistants and staff ! that make far less than nurses with the same maximum
of 19.5 hours a week. 

 

In addition to your hypocrisy about nonlivable wages by large corporations
in this town, you have also neglected to research your own company,
AmericanWest Bank and the practices by the board of Directors. 

 

The Board of Directors for AmericanW! est Bank is full of minions just like
Wal-Mart. For example Craig D. Eerkes, President of Sun Pacific Energy, Inc.
A company that has the worst environmental record in the northwest, working
with favorites of Green Peace like Exxon Mobil.

 

And let us also not forget board member Donald H. Livingstone, who has close
ties to Sodexho-Marriot, the company with the worst human rights record in
the world.

 

BJ, I suggest when you show up to protest the senseless slaughter of animals
for clothing that you not be wearing a fur coat and alligator purse.
 
Take Care,

 

Donovan J Arnold



"B. J. Swanson" <bjswan at moscow.com> wrote:

Jeff.

 

I assume you’re joking when you say “I suspect their stats are probably
reliable, as the consequences of being wrong would bring swift retribution.”
I doubt that Wal-Mart has any fear of retribution as evidenced by the mor! e
than 5,000 lawsuits currently pending against them dealing with a wide
variety of unethical practices including discrimination against women,
hiring undocumented aliens and paying them less than $3/hour, wide-spread
inflated scanner settings, forcing associates to work “off the time clock,”
etc.  Obviously a few slanted facts are not a big deal to them.  The
Wal-Mart website also contains profound statements like “Wal-Mart does not
encourage our associates to apply for public assistance.”  

 

Perhaps researching a little further into the numbers would reveal that the
$9.20 an hour average wage includes truck drivers.  Apparently Wal-Mart has
been unable to monopolize the trucking industry, YET.  If truck drivers are
removed from the average wages the remaining workers, including management,
average around $8.20 an hour and less than one-third qualify or can afford
health insurance.&nb! sp; The “living wage” in Moscow is around $10.50 an
hour plus benefits.  $10.50 an hour is the level where workers are able to
“maintain.”  More than that usually indicates workers are able to contribute
to the community.&! nbsp; Less than that and the worker needs assistance to
survive.  The relative size of Wal-Mart and its projected impact on Moscow
as the second largest employer paying less than living wage jobs is a big
concern.

 

Regarding buying from Idaho vendors, a further look will reveal Wal-Mart’s
usual predatory practices.  I personally know a small Northern Idaho
business who was delighted to g! et a contract from Wal-Mart.  But the
contract included not paying for goods for 120 days.  That means four months
without payment or interest, while having to pay workers and inventory costs
on much shorter terms.  Then, Wal-Mart wanted more and more goods until
Wal-Mart was buying 90% of the small busin! esses goods and still demanding
more.  Then, Wal-Mart started ratcheting down the price, and still on 120
day terms.  The small business nearly went broke before they realized
Wal-Mart was controlling them and breaking them.  Idaho is a very honest,
trusting culture.  Sometimes to our detriment.

 

There are curre! ntly around 70 jobs in Alturas Technology Park paying an
average of $24.00 an hour plus benefits.  You will find these people on many
contributor lists throughout Moscow, including Latah Trail, Kenworthy, IRP,
Prichard, etc.  Rezoning the land on the eastern boundary of Alturas for
Wal-Mart will severely restrict the ability to expand Alturas Technology
Park and continue to attract bus! inesses that actually contribute to the
community instead of sucking it dry.

 

B. J. Swanson 

 

 

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Harkins
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:11 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Data about WalMart Impact in Idaho and Idaho Wages

 


Here is an excerpt from the WalMart website.  I suspect their stats are
probably reliable, as the consequences of being wrong would bring swift
retribution.

Of particular note is the average wage of $ 9.20 and the fact that WalMart
employs 6,774 people in the state.  At a wage rate of $9.20 and an assumed
work year of 2080 hours the average annual wage is $19,136.  

Here is a link to the data for wages for all occupational groups in North
Idaho.  The stats are as of May, 2005.  The stats are quite robust and
should provide you with hours of fun as you compare your current wage with
the state average.  Here is the link to the data:
http://lmi.idaho.gov/admin/uploadedPublications/3753_north_idaho.pdf .  If
you want info about education jobs, you will need to go to Appendix C of the
report.  If you have trouble finding that link, please advise and I will
provide it.
You can download the data.

Other points of interest include spending almost $185 million with Idaho
suppliers - supporting 15,934 supplier jobs.


Idaho Community Impact






Real ! Estate 


Wal-Mart's presence in Idaho includes: 


Stores, Clubs, Distribution Centers and other facilities (as of October2005)


Supercenters: 14
Discount Stores: 3
Neighborhood markets: 0
SAM'S CLUBS: 1
Distribution Centers: 0
Average store size (national average)  
! Supercenter: 186,077 sq. ft. with approx. 116,000 items  
Discount Store: 98,079 sq. ft. with approx. 62,500 items  
Neighborhood Market: 42,286 sq. ft. with approx. 38,845 items  ! 
SAM'S CLUB: 127,776 sq. ft. with approx. 6,000 items  


 






People






Employment Facts


*         In Idaho, the total number of Wal-Mart associates is 6,774 (as of
October 2005). 

*         The average wage for regular full-time hourly associates in Idaho
is $9.20 per hour (Wal-Mart Discount Stores, Supercenters and Neighborhood
Markets). Additionally, associates are eligible for performa! nce-based
bonuses. 

*         In recent years, Wal-Mart has contributed four percent of an
associate's eligible pay to their combined Profit Sharing and 401(k) Plan. 

 


Suppliers


*         In 2004, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. spent $184,548,727 for merchandise
and services with! 335 suppliers in the state of Idaho. As a result of
Wal-Mart's relationship with these suppliers, Wal-Mart supports 15,934
supplier jobs in the state of Idaho. 

*         Supplier figures provided by Dun & Bradstreet 

 


Taxes and Fees


! 

*         Wal-Mart collected on behalf of the state of Idaho more than $68.3
million in sales taxes in 2004 

*         Wal-Mart paid more than $9.8 million in state and local taxes in
the state of Idaho in 2004. 

 


Community Involvement


*         In 2004, Wal-Mart Stores and SAM'S CLUB gave $753,242 to local
causes and organizations in the communities they serve in the state of
Idaho.  In addition, many charities and organizations received in-kind
donations and additional funds raised through stores and CLUBS in the amount
of $219,492, for a grand total of $972,734 contributed through Wal-Mart's
presence across the state. 

*         Examples of some of the efforts in Idaho that our company made in
2004 to reach out to the community include: 

o        Safe Neighborhood Heroes Grants: $39,250 

o        Literacy Grants: $30,250 

o        Community Scholarships: $33,000 

o        Teacher of the Year Grants: $27,000 

*         Idaho's 2004 Teacher of the Year is Conrad Garner from Bonners
Ferry High School in Bonners Ferry. 

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