[Vision2020] Let Induction Discussion Continue Onlist--or not

[tbertruss at aol.com]

Mike wrote: 
 
But sometimes we begin to have an entire 
semester class presented, debated, and argued on 2020, and that does 
get tiresome.  While periodic Mariners updates are presented, there 
are seldom multi-page raging debates about the merits, vel non, of 
the designated hitter rule, which I suspect would become tiresome to 
many.  
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I don't fully understand the logic you present above.  Are you saying periodic updates on the Mariners are of more value to the Moscow community and more appropriate to the 
Vision2020 list than multi page debates on the baseball rule you reference?  
 
Perhaps debates on the rules of baseball are of more value than periodic Mariners updates, for what Vision2020 can offer the public, that is not widely offered in other media.  We can get Mariners updates from many other sources commonly available.  And if the Mariners were disbanded, Moscow would continue as it will continue with little difference.  But with baseball a sport being played by many in Moscow, many who may have an interest in a detailed discussion of the rules, a discussion that may not be widely presented in other media, why should this sort of discussion on Vision2020 be criticized, even if some find it tiresome?
 
Debates on zoning law and tax code can get very tiresome, I assure you, yet who is going to argue these issues are not of importance and not worth discussing in great detail on 
Vision2020?
 
I think the value of Vision2020 is precisely that issues can be discussed in depth with more detail than what is offered in some other media, though we can debate what issues are appropriate to the Vision2020 mission statement.
 
I do not think the discussion on induction so far on Vision2020 is fairly described as a whole semester course presented on the list:  this is hyperbole.
 
If baseball is of interest to those playing this sport in our community, I think the rules of this game are really a more fitting topic for Vision2020 than Mariners updates, which can be easily found elsewhere.  And if the Mariners were disbanded, Moscow would still have baseball teams with players who have an eager interest in debates about the rules:  thus the rules of baseball may be more critical to what really goes on in our community than what happens to the Mariners.
 
Ted Moffett

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Curley <curley at turbonet.com>
To: mushroom at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; Tbertruss at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:41:35 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Let Induction Discussion Continue Onlist--or not


Ted:
Let me take a stab at this one.  I think it is not the topic, but the 
depth, repetition, and very limited number of participants that 
sometimes takes an issue beyond the pale of most V2020 readers.  That 
does not mean the issue isn't important--indeed more important than 
much of what is discussed on 2020 (as your example, the Mariners)--it 
just means that a limited number are interested in the deeply 
involved discussion.  Global warming, specific political issues, 
killing that takes place around the world, philosophical matters, 
religion, chemistry, physics, (can I quit with examples without 
offending anyone or suggesting the list is exhaustive) are all issues 
that sometimes get discussed on 2020, but they are generally 
ancillary to an issue pertinent to either Moscow or the moment, 
nationally or globally.  But sometimes we begin to have an entire 
semester class presented, debated, and argued on 2020, and that does 
get tiresome.  While periodic Mariners updates are presented, there 
are seldom multi-page raging debates about the merits, vel non, of 
the designated hitter rule, which I suspect would become tiresome to 
many.  

I usually consider a request to take a matter offline a request that 
the posters consider whether the issue that stirs their drinks 
continues to have a general interest to the list.  Certainly the 
topic thread allows each of us to delete what is not of interest, but 
the request to take offline also allows us each to say, hey, I'd like 
to be copied on your continued discussion if we chose to do so.

It is, of course, your choice, as the list is unmoderated.  I chose 
to respond only because I have on occasion made the same request, 
politely I hope, and did not intend to, nor feel like I was, 
"attacking" a particular subject of posts.  

Regards,
Mike Curley


On 21 Nov 2005 at 16:35, Tbertruss at aol.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Don et. al.
> 
> Personally, I don't care if someone wants to discuss the Mariners on
> Vision2020.
> 
> But why attack the posts on induction?
> 
> We get an onslaught of reporting on sports on TV, Radio, Newspapers,
> Magazines, etc., so explain why Vision2020 is an appropriate place to
> discuss the Mariners? 
> 
> What difference does it really make if the Mariners win, lose or go
> bust for the future of Moscow? 
> 
> Why do you and others complain about the discussion of induction, yet
> say nothing about the posts on the Mariners that have been ongoing for
> years?
> 
> If the complaints about posts that are deemed not important for 
> Moscow or its future are to be fair minded, they should go after every
> subject that is not important to the future of Moscow.
> 
> Or perhaps you'd like to explain why what happens to the Mariners
> really matters to the future of Moscow? 
> 
> At least the improved critical thinking skills that the discussion of
> induction may inspire has some educational value. 
> 
> Given how many people are suckered by propaganda coming from various
> sources in our world, it appears there is need for the improved
> critical thinking skills that the discussion of induction might offer.
> 
> Ted Moffett 


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