[Vision2020] Evangelical Christianity vs. Wilsonian Christianity

[Donovan Arnold]

Mr. Simmons,

By your reasoning you must also hold me responsible
for the sins of my pastor and the Pope. The Pope sets
all policy in the Catholic Church. I believe the same
is true for other religions.

Where is it written that members of the church that
disagree with the actions of their pastor must defame
him and his actions in public? I do not think that
members of any church think their pastor does not make
mistakes or sin. But they do not write letters to the
editor and establish websites about it either, why
should members of CC or NSA be any different?

And I disagree that a church is their pastor. A church
is a whole group of people. A pastor is SUPPOSE to be
a connector between God and the people. Members of the
church many choose to stay with a church to worship
their God with their family and friends and ignore
certain teachings of the church. I know that people in
my Church do. 

I do not support what Doug Wilson preaches, just his
right to preach it.

On a personal note, I would not take anything said on
Vision 2020 about Mr. Wilson as factual, on either
side of the issue. 

Donovan J Arnold 

 
> about them. From reading both their websites and the
> others I have seen 
> reference to on V2020, it seems to me that Doug
> Wilson IS Christ Church, 
> in as far as his doctrines are the church's
> doctrines, and he controls 
> the actions and belief structure of his church.
> 
> However, being relatively uneducated about the
> subject, my comments are 
> submitted in humility.
> 
> But I will say this with conviction:
> 
> You can, and should, hold members of an organization
> responsible for the 
> codified belief structure and even the actions of
> that organization and 
> its leaders, unless they are a voice of dissent
> during the time those 
> actions took place, or at least afterward.
> 
> Any kirkers who do not decry any exposed sins of
> their pastor are 
> supporting them.
> 
> 
> Steven Simmons
> 
> 
> Donovan Arnold wrote:
> 
> >Mr. Hansen,
> >
> >First, thank you for correcting my error in
> referring
> >Mr. Wilson as having a degree he did not earn.
> >However, Mr. Wilson's level of educational
> attainment
> >has nothing to do with my arguments.
> >
> >Second, I do believe that Dr. Gier has insulted the
> >members of Christ Church in his arguments comparing
> >the Taliban to the members of Christ Church. Which
> is
> >why he got himself in hot water on Mr. Courtney's
> >Blog. 
> >
> >Finally, I never said that Mr. Wilson should not be
> >held to higher moral standards of scrutiny than
> others
> >in the church. My point, and made clear before you
> >twisted it, was that you cannot judge all members
> of
> >the church by the sins of their pastor. 
> >
> >
> >Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >--- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Arnold -
> >>
> >>WOW!
> >>
> >>Where do I begin?
> >>
> >>Let's examine just a couple of your quotes for
> now,
> >>ok?
> >>
> >>" . . . it seems your real disagreement is with
> Dr.
> >>Wilson not NSA or Christ
> >>Church."
> >>
> >>
> >>Question:  What qualifies Doug Wilson to prefix
> his
> >>name with "Dr."?
> >>
> >>Wilson, Douglas J., M.A., Member, Board of
> Trustees
> >>and Senior Fellow, 1994-
> >>M.A. in Philosophy, University of Idaho, 1977
> >>B.A. in Classical Studies, University of Idaho,
> 1988
> >>B.A. in Philosophy, University of Idaho, 1977
> >>
> >>Copied and pasted from the NSA Faculty page at: 
> >>
> >>http://www.nsa.edu/community/faculty.html
> >>
> >>"It really seems counterproductive to attack
> >>hundreds of people in our
> >>community solely because you disagree with the
> >>personal actions of one
> >>member of their church."
> >>
> >>Dr. Nick Gier did NOT "attack hundreds of people
> in
> >>our community".  He
> >>simply responded to Doug Wilson's "I Love Me"
> >>website entry "Naming the
> >>Intoleristas" at 
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
>
>http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=1105
> >  
> >
> >>Doug Wilson is not simply "one member of their
> >>church."  He is the pastor
> >>for Christ Church.  And as such must under go
> closer
> >>scrutiny than John
> >>Doe's son, Jimmy, that falls asleep in church.
> >>
> >>You really should evaluate and validate what you
> >>post before you post it,
> >>Arnold.
> >>
> >>Take care, Moscow.
> >>
> >>Tom Hansen
> >>Moscow, Idaho
> >>
> >>"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any
> >>more than going to a
> >>garage makes you a mechanic."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
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