[Vision2020] The truth about the Am Psy Association
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Thu May 26 09:51:46 PDT 2005
Let's all agree to say the sky is blue just so certain others can argue that
it really isn't.
Arguing just to occupy your time is waste of everyone's time.
>
>Scott Dredge wrote: "And Donovan is just out of
>control."
>
>Excuse me, I am out of control? I am not the one
>recommending people to go see "Sideways". You ought to
>lose your sanity ID card for that. :-)
>
>
>What you ignore Scott is that the APA did in fact
>release a report that concluded that molesting
>children was not harmful. And pedophiles are no longer
>necessarily considered to have a psychological
>disorder. That might not be an endorsement, but it
>certainly is not a good thing for children and did
>please child molesters. So I think Pat's point on this
>is valid, even if she has the specifics wrong.
>
>The APA should be taken to task for releasing a report
>(the Rind Report) saying that molesting children can
>be good for them. The Rind report was garbage, and it
>was based on junk science like the Kinsley Report.
>
>What I do wish to point out, and where confusion and
>disagreement may arise, is that the APA says in the
>DSM-IV that a pedophile does not have a psychological
>disorder UNLESS they act upon it. So if they think
>about or want to molest a kid, that is not a mental
>disorder, but if they do it, they do have a disorder.
>That is confusing, and I do not agree with the APA
>changing that qualification in the DSM-IV to say that.
>I agree with Pat on that one. Because if they are
>saying the desire and thinking is not a disorder it
>makes it more difficult to prosecute and treat
>pedophiles and to protect children from potential
>predators.
>
>As far as trying to convince Pat Kraut that
>homosexuality is not sin, is also a waste of your time
>and hers. Her belief is based on religious faith and
>you cannot argue or reason with that.
>
>
>Take Care,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
> > It's amazing how far this topic is off from the
> > original posting. Pat, you're right that Dr. Laura
> > chastised the APAPAnd that it was a public relations
> > nightmare for them. You're wrong - as was Dr. Laura
> > -
> > about the APAPA'sopostionn pedophilia. And Donovan
> > is
> > just out of control.
> >
> > So - back to the original post - the APAPAade a
> > recommendation that homosexual marriage should be
> > legal. Pat wrote, in effect, that legalizing
> > homosexual marriage is a slippery slope of
> > immorality
> > that would lead to the legalization of man/boy
> > relationships. Why? Opposite sex marriage is legal
> > and yet that hasn't led to acceptance of
> > relationships
> > between man / underage girl and woman / underage
> > boy.
> > Pat - can you explain this? I'm not dismissing you.
> >
> > You've written that the legalization of homosexual
> > marriage will lead to acceptance of pedophilia. I'd
> > like to understand your premise that legalizing a
> > relationship between consenting adults would somehow
> > lead to acceptance of child abuse. How does one
> > scenarios - where there is no victim - lead to
> > acceptance of another scenario where this is a
> > victim?
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > --- Donovan Arnold <dodonovanjarnold05 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Pat,
> > >
> > > Please understand Rose, Saundra, Joan, Wayne,
> > > Hansen,
> > > MyMylindaand Keely are always right. Facts matter
> > > not.
> > > If they decide you are wrong, you are wrong. Only
> > > argue with them unless you realize this. And yes,
> > > you
> > > are dismissed by them if you cannot comprehend
> > their
> > > supremacy over all matters of science, morality,
> > and
> > > law.
> > >
> > > Take Care,
> > >
> > > Donovan J Arnold
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Pat Kraut <pkpkrautomoscowom> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, I am dismissed?? I am not wrong! I only used
> > > the
> > > > NaNarthite because it quotes the paper they put
> > > out
> > > > about children enjoying being molested. You
> > > haven't
> > > > looked into it. You dismiss Dr Laura because you
> > > > don't agree with her on gay issues. But, even Dr
> > > > Laura is right part of the time. No, even I
> > don't
> > > > agree with everything she says...what I really
> > > can't
> > > > believe is the people who keep calling her. It
> > > isn't
> > > > faked tho because they would never get away with
> > > it,
> > > > but surely the people must have someone else
> > they
> > > > can talk to and not call her.
> > > > You don't have to read my posts if you don't
> > want
> > > to
> > > > but you cannot dismiss me from this site!
> > > > PK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: DoDonaldH5 at aoaolom
> > > > To: pkpkrautomoscowom
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:26 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The truth about the
> > Am
> > > > PsPsyssociation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pat,
> > > > You were just plain wrong about your
> > > understanding
> > > > of the article, the difference between the two
> > > > organizations etc. The gracious (and wise)
> > thing
> > > to
> > > > do is either drop it or acknowledge your error.
> >
> > > > Rose HuHuskey> > >
> > > > "One cannot level one's moral lance at every
> > > evil
> > > > in the universe. There are just too many of
> > them.
> > > > But you can do something, and the difference
> > > between
> > > > doing something and doing nothing is
> > everything."
> > > > Daniel BeBerrigan> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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