[Vision2020] "verified scientific fact"? No such thing Ted

Fri May 6 19:55:50 PDT 2005

Ted,

You write, "time travel is not just a possibility, but
a verified scientific fact."

There is no such thing as a verified scientific fact.
In science, only evidence of a theory can be
presented. In science the Theory of Gravity is still
just a theory. Although evidence is very high it is
true, it is not, nor will it ever be verifiable
scientific fact. Somebody could come along and
demonstrate that gravity is far more complex than we
perceive it to be. You could also state that nobody
has successfully proved the Theory of Gravity as
false, but you can never prove it to be fact according
to science.   

The "Theory of Relativity" Is only theory, not
verifiable fact. 

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold 

--- tbertruss at aol.com wrote:

> Donovan et. al.
>  
> You are right Debbie, despite what I took to be your
> sarcasm:  Einstein's Theory of Relativity is a lot
> of fun to talk about. 
>  
> Donovan, time travel is not just a possibility, but
> a verified scientific fact.  According to the time
> dilation equation from Relativity, if you travel
> fast enough for long enough relative to another
> object that you left behind in your journey, let's
> say the Earth, you can return to the Earth and in
> effect have traveled into the Earth's future.  If
> you blast off on a spaceship with a clock that is
> set to exactly the same time as a duplicate clock on
> Earth, when both clocks function perfectly, and
> travel very fast for long enough, if you return to
> Earth the two clocks will read different times. 
> They both are correct.  But each clock was
> functioning in a different area of space/time.  A
> human who left behind their identical twin on Earth
> to travel in a very fast spaceship for a number of
> years will return to Earth to find their twin much
> older than they are, assuming both twins age at the
> same rate.  Just like the clocks kept time
> perfectly, both twins were aging at the same !
>  rate, but were living in different space/time
> areas.
>  
> A spaceship can thus become a time traveling machine
> to travel into the future.  If our species survives
> for another millennia or two, we may send ships to
> nearby star systems.  The occupants, even if the
> ship is multi generational, will know that when they
> return they will view an Earth that is far further
> into Earth's future that they would have been able
> to view had they remained on Earth, or had been born
> on earth, instead of on a starship.
>  
> I'd provide a link for a reference to the time
> dilation equation from Relativity, but anyone can
> Google it.
>  
> Ted Moffett
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: Warren Hayman <whayman at adelphia.net>; Dan
> Carscallen <predator75 at moscow.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; 'Donovan Arnold'
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] date today
> 
> 
> Mr. Haymen,
> 
> I was not calling you out. I was pointing out the
> fact
> that all time once gone is always gone. Time has
> nothing to do with what you pointed out.
> 
> (Pointing out the obvious) Dates cannot repeat. If
> they did, it would be a horrible way of keeping
> track
> of time because we would confuse it with other
> dates. 
> 
> I had taken all the ground work for a BS in
> philosophy
> but dropped it my Junior year when I could not find
> anyone with a job that had a BS or BA in Philosophy
> unless they had a PhD along with it. So I love this
> stuff read all I can on it, watch Discovery Science,
> and have spend lots of time with theologians and
> doctors of philosophy discussing, time, space,
> ethics,
> photon tunneling,particle entanglement etc.
> 
> What you found, 5/05/05 at 5:55:55 (should be
> 05/05/05
> at 05:05:05, there can be no 55/55/55 at 55:55:55,
> which would be all 5s) has nothing to do with time.
> It
> has to do with math. You simple pointed out that
> every
> 13 months and one day we hit a date that has similar
> numbers. This is true for every numerical system
> that
> uses only 10 digits, 0-9 on a rotating system of 12.
> Just like if you only have ten digits you have
> repeating digits every 11. 0, 11, 22, 33, 44, 55,
> 66,
> etc.  
> 
> It is not fascinating to me because it has to occur.
> The probability is 100% providing there are no other
> external factors. What would be fascinating is if it
> DID NOT occur again. If 06/06/06 never happened,
> that
> is what would frighten and mystify me. 
> 
> You write:
> "the concept of temporal duration and sequentiality
> within the currently accepted calendrical system of
> this country (including the modification of Daylight
> Savings Time) as derived and extrapolated from
> higher
> energy electrons within a Cesium atom expressed in a
> digital mode, there exists a high degree of
> probability according to longevity projections
> provided by life science research that said persons
> will never 
> experientially encounter such a digital sequence
> again."
> 
> Here is where your logic and physics clash with
> reality. Your watch, calender, and numbers have
> nothing to do with time. They are simply a crude,
> and
> inaccurate, measuring tool of time and space. If you
> doubt this, set your watch back and see if you go
> back
> in time. If you do, I will admit I was wrong. :P But
> guess what, you can "experientially encounter such a
> digital sequence again.", provided of course you set
> your watch back far enough. But you cannot go back
> to
> 5:55:55 because it never really existed in the first
> place. 
> 
> Numbers do not even really exist (human made). What
> they represent might exist. But not the numbers.
> Numbers are simply a way of representing matter and
> concepts. For example, the year 1986 does not exist.
> It never did exist. Occurrences during a time period
> we define as 1986 did happen. But 1986 never did. We
> simply assigned that time period 1986 so that we
> know
> how long ago it was. We can also reference it to
> other
> time periods in proper sequence. 
> 
> There is only one form of existence for time, and
> that
> is now. All past events and future do not exist, the
> dates are based on assignment of numbers to help
> humans reference sequence of events. We could, if we
> want, just assign letters for years. Or do like
> people
> in the past and call 1986 the 5th year of the Reagan
> Dynasty. 
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Donovan J Arnold
> 
> Anyone want to talk about the probability of time
> travel? It beats the levy.
> >
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