[Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Wed May 4 21:15:39 PDT 2005
Phil,
Once again:
Anyone with a moderate amount of intelligence and literacy can do what is requested of you:
1. Go to the Latah County Assessor's Office in the Latah County Courthouse (see MapQuest, if you are not sure where it is located).
2. Ask the nice person(s) behind the counter to see the valuations for the properties on the east side of Jefferson between 3rd and 5th streets..
3. Write them down.
4. Add them up, getting Total A.
5. Ask a realtor whose is familiar with commercial property in Moscow how much they think the properties are undervalued in the assessor's valuations.
6. Adjust Total A giving Total B.
7. Report Totals A & B to V 2020.
8. Consider those 15 -30 minutes well spent in informing yourself and the community.
Unwilling? I am sure most will then draw the correct conclusion.
Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Shelly
To: deco at moscow.com
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
W,
I am not credentialed to do this. The school district is not doing their job. They should have already had those properties appraised for eminent domain so the FPC people could start making some sound judgements and decisions. Me and you pay the school district to do these jobs. If they are not willing or able to do it, they need to be dismissed. Don't you think this should have been done? I asked about eminent domain at the open house and was told, "they did not want to hurt anybody's feelings." Why do you think eminent domain ever came into existence?
Regarding me spending any money.......... Well, I do. I pay thousands of dollars in taxes. I pay taxes for those individuals to do proper management of the school system. So do you. The school district has dropped the ball for years. Because of the years of mis-management we now find ourselves in this predicament.
I do not know what you mean by, "Courtney/Wenders/sick-goat shit" but for me personally I am tired of the dog and pony show. I want straight answers and prudent management.
Phil
-------Original Message-------
From: Art Deco
Date: 05/04/05 17:30:34
To: Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
Phil,
We are not testing anyone. We are trying to raise issues and gain information that will help the community solve a real problem of consequence.
Do you want to be a committed nay-sayer like miserable, real friendless Wenders and Courtney (a pariah even within the cult) or do you really want to contribute to solving an important community problem? If so, then do the simple research on approximately what the cost would be of condemning and acquiring the land on the east side of Jefferson between 3rd and 5th streets and report this information to V 2020.
If you are not willing to do this simple task for your community, then most of us will conclude that you are against spending any amount of money to address Moscow educational problems and that all your posts have been are Dale Courtney/Jack Wenders type smoke screens. Based on some of your posts in the past, I thought you were a more thoughtful person. I hope you can reassure me on this point.
W.
PS. Although Keely and I seldom agree on matters of Weltenschaung, that does not prevent me from seeing that she is an honest, caring, very hard-working school board member. You should see that even among many that opposed the levy, the Courtney/Wenders/sick-goat shit you have thrown at her has, in fact, back-blown onto you and Donovan.
Are you man enough to be constructive? Then let's see the financial figures on your suggestion for an eminent domain condemnation!
----- Original Message -----
From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> Wayne - I'm testing the PHD's here. Are you one?
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:43:00 -0700
> To: "cjs" cjs at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> The point is: You made the suggestion -- you do the research. Are you
>> incapable of doing the simple research -- less than 15 minutes worth? If
>> so, just tell us so that we can understand your cognitive disabilities and
>> accord your posts the merit they're due.
>>
>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>> deco at moscow.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
>> To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>>
>>
>> > Art - call the appraiser that was going to be appraising the Trail
>> > property. Has to be a fair marketable price. There are rules and
>> > regulations under the eminent domain laws that must be followed. An
>> > appraiser and the city would follow them. Call the City Attorney. Call
>> > your Senator. Call the Mayor. It is law. Ask Mike Curley. Although Mike is
>> > not a real estate attorney he might know where to look it up.
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
>> > Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:57:42 -0700
>> > To: "cjs" cjs at turbonet.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>> >
>> >> Phil,
>> >>
>> >> We are still waiting for your research to discover how much it would cost
>> >> to
>> >> condemn under eminent domain that row of buildings just west of the
>> >> current
>> >> HS between 3rd and 5th. When are we likely to see it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>> >> deco at moscow.com
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
>> >> To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>> >> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:32 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Pat - where did you get your doctorate?
>> >> >
>> >> > Phil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original message-----
>> >> > From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
>> >> > Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:08:51 -0700
>> >> > To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>> >> >
>> >> >> Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and this illness was most
>> >> >> appropriate. He was very delusional and paranoid about certain groups
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> the government. His posts and what I know of him away from vision 2020
>> >> >> fit
>> >> >> very well in this diagnosis. Yes, way too many people think it is some
>> >> >> sort
>> >> >> of split personality because this was the term many years ago but that
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> now called bi-polar. I am well aware of Schizophrenia and what it does
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> families and I am also somewhat aware of Doug's problems. He was very
>> >> >> ill
>> >> >> and I am sure that his family is struggling. Thanks for the lesson.
>> >> >> PK
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> >> >> To: <joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:06 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "who was once our resident schizophrenic."--Joan Opyr
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is the third time in the last few months that I
>> >> >> have heard the term "schizophrenic" used in a
>> >> >> derogatory manner.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let me explain something to people that do this and
>> >> >> obviously do not know people struggling with it.
>> >> >> Schizophrenia is a REAL mental illness. It has nothing
>> >> >> to do with split personality. Nor does it strike
>> >> >> people because they are bad people. It is caused by
>> >> >> the slow deterioration of parts of the brain. There is
>> >> >> no cure for it. It is a mental illness that is very
>> >> >> challenging to those that have it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many thousands of families have to deal with the pain
>> >> >> and mental anguish of watching someone close to them
>> >> >> get worse and worse and not being able to do anything
>> >> >> about it. It is even worse when you watch it in
>> >> >> children and young adults.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I do not care your background, education, or
>> >> >> experience. When you use the term schizophrenic in a
>> >> >> derogatory and offense term you are hurting more then
>> >> >> just the person you are targeting and publicly
>> >> >> humiliating many people with a real disability that is
>> >> >> life threatening and challenging.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I ask that people to please STOP doing this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Take Care,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Donovan J Arnold
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --- "joanopyr at earthlink.net" <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Ladies and Gentlemen of Vision 2020,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Those of us who have been on this list for a few
>> >> >> > years will remember poor Doug Stambler, who was once
>> >> >> > our resident schizophrenic. Mr. Stambler posted
>> >> >> > ten, twenty, or thirty times per day -- incoherent,
>> >> >> > rambling, paranoid conspiracy theories. He saw all;
>> >> >> > he knew all; he could predict all. (He was also
>> >> >> > heavy with the libel and the capitalization.) There
>> >> >> > was no reasoning with Doug Stambler, and no
>> >> >> > reasonable conversation was possible either with him
>> >> >> > or around him. LIke a drunk on a city bus, he spent
>> >> >> > all day every day vomiting on the regular commuters.
>> >> >> > In short, he was hopelessly disruptive. Those of
>> >> >> > us who got the wise idea of adding him to our "block
>> >> >> > sender" lists soon found that Mr. Stambler had
>> >> >> > bypassed them by changing his email addresses
>> >> >> > rapidly and at random. The question soon arose of
>> >> >> > what to do: should he barred from Vision 2020? And
>> >> >> > if so, by whom?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In the end, we decided as one (though Mr. Stambler
>> >> >> > was frankly many) to ignore him.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It is now clear that we have not one but two new
>> >> >> > Doug Stamblers on Vision 2020. I intend from here
>> >> >> > on out to ignore them. When they change their email
>> >> >> > addresses, I'll simply update my block sender list.
>> >> >> > I will not respond to their posts; I will not be
>> >> >> > provoked. I can only recommend that my fellow
>> >> >> > Visionaries do the same. Don't feed a stray dog if
>> >> >> > you want it to go away.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 'Ere long we will again have productive
>> >> >> > conversations on this list. As soon as I regain my
>> >> >> > own equilibrium, I intend to be part of them. In
>> >> >> > the meantime, I'll reminisce about the time Crazy
>> >> >> > Charlie barfed into my Aunt Colleen's pocketbook on
>> >> >> > a Capital Area Transit Bus in Raleigh, North
>> >> >> > Carolina. Sic transit gloria.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>> >> >> > www.auntie-establishment >
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>> >> >>
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