[Vision2020] Wayne's World

Wed May 4 18:48:40 PDT 2005

After Vision 2020 just had an evening of postings
concerning being respectful in their language to those
with disabilities and Janesta, who works closely with
those that have a disability said, 

“Comments made of that nature... 'take your meds,
prozac, or whatever' imply to me that someone with
mental illness doesn't have a right to have an opinion
or to post on vision2020. Those of you who believe
that, are incorrect. To imply that by making comments
of that nature about another person with whom you
disagree, displays a lack of civility and dignity on
their part.”

Wayne Fox demonstrates his lack of respect for those
with disabilities in his statement to another vision
2020 poster, 

“just tell us so that we can understand your cognitive
disabilities and accord your posts the merit they're
due.”

This is the type of discrimination people are
complaining about. To imply, suggest, or promote the
notion that people’s opinions should be devalued or
disregarded because they have a cognitive disability
is one of the worst forms of bigotry, ignorance, and
disregard faced by many millions of people.

More then one in twenty people in the United States
have some form of cognitive or mental disability.
Their opinions are just as important to them as your
opinions are to you. Their ideas, beliefs, and
contributions to the community are just as valuable as
every over human being on the planet.

If you every make comments aimed at devaluing the
feelings or opinions of another human being because
they have a disability, know these two facts; you are
just as much a bigot as someone who judges on the
bases of skin color, gender, or religion etc., and you
are 100% WRONG!!!!

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold  

--- Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

> Phil,
> 
> The point is:  You made the suggestion -- you do the
> research.  Are you
> incapable of doing the simple research -- less than
> 15 minutes worth?  If
> so, just tell us so that we can understand your
> cognitive disabilities and
> accord your posts the merit they're due.
> 
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
> To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> 
> 
> > Art - call the appraiser that was going to be
> appraising the Trail 
> > property. Has to be a fair marketable price. There
> are rules and 
> > regulations under the eminent domain laws that
> must be followed. An 
> > appraiser and the city would follow them. Call the
> City Attorney. Call 
> > your Senator. Call the Mayor. It is law. Ask Mike
> Curley. Although Mike is 
> > not a real estate attorney he might know where to
> look it up.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> > Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 13:57:42 -0700
> > To: "cjs" cjs at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >
> >> Phil,
> >>
> >> We are still waiting for your research to
> discover how much it would cost 
> >> to
> >> condemn under eminent domain that row of
> buildings just west of the 
> >> current
> >> HS between 3rd and 5th.  When are we likely to
> see it?
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> >> deco at moscow.com
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
> >> To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >>
> >>
> >> > Pat - where did you get your doctorate?
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
> >> > Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 11:08:51 -0700
> >> > To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >> >
> >> >> Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and
> this illness was most
> >> >> appropriate. He was very delusional and
> paranoid about certain groups 
> >> >> and
> >> >> the government. His posts and what I know of
> him away from vision 2020
> >> >> fit
> >> >> very well in this diagnosis. Yes, way too many
> people think it is some
> >> >> sort
> >> >> of split personality because this was the term
> many years ago but that 
> >> >> is
> >> >> now called bi-polar. I am well aware of
> Schizophrenia and what it does 
> >> >> to
> >> >> families and I am also somewhat aware of
> Doug's problems. He was very 
> >> >> ill
> >> >> and I am sure that his family is struggling.
> Thanks for the lesson.
> >> >> PK
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Donovan Arnold"
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> >> >> To: <joanopyr at earthlink.net>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:06 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "who was once our resident
> schizophrenic."--Joan Opyr
> >> >>
> >> >> This is the third time in the last few months
> that I
> >> >> have heard the term "schizophrenic" used in a
> >> >> derogatory manner.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let me explain something to people that do
> this and
> >> >> obviously do not know people struggling with
> it.
> >> >> Schizophrenia is a REAL mental illness. It has
> nothing
> >> >> to do with split personality. Nor does it
> strike
> >> >> people because they are bad people. It is
> caused by
> >> >> the slow deterioration of parts of the brain.
> There is
> >> >> no cure for it. It is a mental illness that is
> very
> >> >> challenging to those that have it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thousands of families have to deal with
> the pain
> >> >> and mental anguish of watching someone close
> to them
> >> >> get worse and worse and not being able to do
> anything
> >> >> about it. It is even worse when you watch it
> in
> >> >> children and young adults.
> >> >>
> >> >> I do not care your background, education, or
> >> >> experience. When you use the term
> schizophrenic in a
> >> >> derogatory and offense term you are hurting
> more then
> >> >> just the person you are targeting and publicly
> >> >> humiliating many people with a real disability
> that is
> >> >> life threatening and challenging.
> >> >>
> >> >> I ask that people to please STOP doing this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Take Care,
> >> >>
> >> >> Donovan J Arnold
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- "joanopyr at earthlink.net"
> <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Ladies and Gentlemen of Vision 2020,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Those of us who have been on this list for a
> few
> >> >> > years will remember poor Doug Stambler, who
> was once
> >> >> > our resident schizophrenic.  Mr. Stambler
> posted
> >> >> > ten, twenty, or thirty times per day --
> incoherent,
> >> >> > rambling, paranoid conspiracy theories.  He
> saw all;
> >> >> > he knew all; he could predict all.  (He was
> also
> >> >> > heavy with the libel and the
> capitalization.)  There
> >> >> > was no reasoning with Doug Stambler, and no
> >> >> > reasonable conversation was possible either
> with him
> >> >> > or around him.  LIke a drunk on a city bus,
> he spent
> >> >> > all day every day vomiting on the regular
> commuters.
> >> >> >  In short, he was hopelessly disruptive. 
> Those of
> >> >> > us who got the wise idea of adding him to
> our "block
> >> >> > sender" lists soon found that Mr. Stambler
> had
> >> >> > bypassed them by changing his email
> addresses
> >> >> > rapidly and at random.  The question soon
> arose of
> >> >> > what to do: should he barred from Vision
> 2020?  And
> 
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