Fw: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

cjs cjs at turbonet.com
Wed May 4 14:52:56 PDT 2005


-----Original message-----
From: cjs cjs at turbonet.com
Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 14:51:24 -0700
To: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

Wayne - I'm testing the PHD's here. Are you one?

Phil


-----Original message-----
From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 14:43:00 -0700
To: "cjs" cjs at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

> Phil,
> 
> The point is:  You made the suggestion -- you do the research.  Are you 
> incapable of doing the simple research -- less than 15 minutes worth?  If 
> so, just tell us so that we can understand your cognitive disabilities and 
> accord your posts the merit they're due.
> 
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
> To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> 
> 
> > Art - call the appraiser that was going to be appraising the Trail 
> > property. Has to be a fair marketable price. There are rules and 
> > regulations under the eminent domain laws that must be followed. An 
> > appraiser and the city would follow them. Call the City Attorney. Call 
> > your Senator. Call the Mayor. It is law. Ask Mike Curley. Although Mike is 
> > not a real estate attorney he might know where to look it up.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> > Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 13:57:42 -0700
> > To: "cjs" cjs at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >
> >> Phil,
> >>
> >> We are still waiting for your research to discover how much it would cost 
> >> to
> >> condemn under eminent domain that row of buildings just west of the 
> >> current
> >> HS between 3rd and 5th.  When are we likely to see it?
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> >> deco at moscow.com
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
> >> To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >>
> >>
> >> > Pat - where did you get your doctorate?
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
> >> > Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 11:08:51 -0700
> >> > To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >> >
> >> >> Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and this illness was most
> >> >> appropriate. He was very delusional and paranoid about certain groups 
> >> >> and
> >> >> the government. His posts and what I know of him away from vision 2020
> >> >> fit
> >> >> very well in this diagnosis. Yes, way too many people think it is some
> >> >> sort
> >> >> of split personality because this was the term many years ago but that 
> >> >> is
> >> >> now called bi-polar. I am well aware of Schizophrenia and what it does 
> >> >> to
> >> >> families and I am also somewhat aware of Doug's problems. He was very 
> >> >> ill
> >> >> and I am sure that his family is struggling. Thanks for the lesson.
> >> >> PK
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> >> >> To: <joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:06 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "who was once our resident schizophrenic."--Joan Opyr
> >> >>
> >> >> This is the third time in the last few months that I
> >> >> have heard the term "schizophrenic" used in a
> >> >> derogatory manner.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let me explain something to people that do this and
> >> >> obviously do not know people struggling with it.
> >> >> Schizophrenia is a REAL mental illness. It has nothing
> >> >> to do with split personality. Nor does it strike
> >> >> people because they are bad people. It is caused by
> >> >> the slow deterioration of parts of the brain. There is
> >> >> no cure for it. It is a mental illness that is very
> >> >> challenging to those that have it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thousands of families have to deal with the pain
> >> >> and mental anguish of watching someone close to them
> >> >> get worse and worse and not being able to do anything
> >> >> about it. It is even worse when you watch it in
> >> >> children and young adults.
> >> >>
> >> >> I do not care your background, education, or
> >> >> experience. When you use the term schizophrenic in a
> >> >> derogatory and offense term you are hurting more then
> >> >> just the person you are targeting and publicly
> >> >> humiliating many people with a real disability that is
> >> >> life threatening and challenging.
> >> >>
> >> >> I ask that people to please STOP doing this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Take Care,
> >> >>
> >> >> Donovan J Arnold
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- "joanopyr at earthlink.net" <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Ladies and Gentlemen of Vision 2020,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Those of us who have been on this list for a few
> >> >> > years will remember poor Doug Stambler, who was once
> >> >> > our resident schizophrenic.  Mr. Stambler posted
> >> >> > ten, twenty, or thirty times per day -- incoherent,
> >> >> > rambling, paranoid conspiracy theories.  He saw all;
> >> >> > he knew all; he could predict all.  (He was also
> >> >> > heavy with the libel and the capitalization.)  There
> >> >> > was no reasoning with Doug Stambler, and no
> >> >> > reasonable conversation was possible either with him
> >> >> > or around him.  LIke a drunk on a city bus, he spent
> >> >> > all day every day vomiting on the regular commuters.
> >> >> >  In short, he was hopelessly disruptive.  Those of
> >> >> > us who got the wise idea of adding him to our "block
> >> >> > sender" lists soon found that Mr. Stambler had
> >> >> > bypassed them by changing his email addresses
> >> >> > rapidly and at random.  The question soon arose of
> >> >> > what to do: should he barred from Vision 2020?  And
> >> >> > if so, by whom?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In the end, we decided as one (though Mr. Stambler
> >> >> > was frankly many) to ignore him.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is now clear that we have not one but two new
> >> >> > Doug Stamblers on Vision 2020.  I intend from here
> >> >> > on out to ignore them.  When they change their email
> >> >> > addresses, I'll simply update my block sender list.
> >> >> > I will not respond to their posts; I will not be
> >> >> > provoked.  I can only recommend that my fellow
> >> >> > Visionaries do the same.  Don't feed a stray dog if
> >> >> > you want it to go away.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 'Ere long we will again have productive
> >> >> > conversations on this list.  As soon as I regain my
> >> >> > own equilibrium, I intend to be part of them.  In
> >> >> > the meantime, I'll reminisce about the time Crazy
> >> >> > Charlie barfed into my Aunt Colleen's pocketbook on
> >> >> > a Capital Area Transit Bus in Raleigh, North
> >> >> > Carolina.  Sic transit gloria.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> >> >> > www.auntie-establishment >
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> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> __________________________________
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> >> >>
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> >>
> >
> > 
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