[Vision2020] Fact or Fiction2

Tue May 3 16:57:55 PDT 2005

I hate to disappoint Phil, but I don't recall his being discussed at the 
April 11 meeting, other than people wanting to know who the gentleman was 
who made such a sterling impression at the April 9 Open House.  Phil, you 
weren't, not have you ever been, the "star conversation" at anything I've 
ever been to.

I've explained to you that FPC meeting notes (not "minutes," which are 
official documents) are posted soon after the meeting.  We only moved, 
voted, and passed or denied  items toward the end of 2004 and beginning of 
2005 in preparation for the trustees' Feb. decision.  This particular 
meeting contained nothing other than "most of us were encouraged but wary" 
and "some of us were doubtful but hopeful," with a rousing close of "keep 
getting the word out and thanks for all of your work."  That's it, Phil, no 
matter what Donovan tells you.  And by the way, no one knew who he was 
either.

I have greatly appreciated Mike Curley's contributions of late, but don't 
criticize him because he's come to my defense.  I've never met Mike, 
although I hope to, and I appreciate his analysis of the situation.  I won't 
even dignify Phil's smear of the Trail family with a response, other than to 
say that his continuing bitterness and rancor toward them is to his shame.

Moving forward, but feeling free to stop the car to get out and pick up 
garbage along the way --

keely

From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
To: curley at turbonet.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fact or Fiction2
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:29:26 -0700

Mike - I was referring to the minutes being posted. You said it is not 
unusual for 60 days to lapse. Keely says usually right after the meeting the 
minutes are posted. My response is, so Mike which is it? 60 days or right 
after? Isn't Keely on the FPC? Where the minutes in question were asked for? 
I have asked her numerous times for these minutes. You can't bail her out 
Mike. I understand this meeting was a big libel session against me. I was 
the star conversation of the meeting. Yup - people that were there told me.

How can you not smell conspiracy Mike? You have the Trails stating in a 
public forum "we love farming." "We intend to keep farming." I asked Dave 
Trail to put it in writing that he would not change the zoning to 
residential for the next 30 years. He turned beat red and sat down. This was 
at the open house where many people were present. So if the Trails try to 
rezone their acreage they will be forced depending on the density to cough 
up and set aside land for schools and parks anyway. They will have to have 
dragged the main utility lines over to their dirt instead of having us,the 
public, pay for it. Can't you see the game Mike? Let the Trails develop 
their land. It would probably cause a need for two high schools. And maybe 
even another elementary school. And then a jr. high. Then a park. It's gonna 
cost them more than 40 acres. There is a game here.There is definitely an 
agenda. Why would they spend so many $$$ in advertising the passage of the 
bond? Because they love chil!
  dren?
Come on Mike. If they love children so much, why don't they donate all the 
land. No strings attached. Why? Because they need the cash to get the 
remaining land rezoned. HHHHHEEEELLLLLOOOOOOOO!!!! Agenda? You bet. I have 
seen this happen before.

Mike - if you want to continue this off list - I am listening.

Phil

-----Original message-----
From: "Michael Curley" curley at turbonet.com
Date: Tue,  3 May 2005 13:23:14 -0700
To: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fact or Fiction2

 > phil:
 > again, not sure i understand the question, but it was an open meeting-
 > -the public could attend.  guess i just don't smell conspiracy here,
 > but then i knew how much open disagreement there was on the committee
 > and how no one there ever suggested holding anything back.  the last
 > two chairs of the committee were, I think, let's see, me and Bill
 > Goesling.  Now, i ain't asking you to "trust me" but i can say that
 > Bill is a retired navy commander (i believe was his rank) and i'm
 > pretty willing to trust that he wasn't trying to hide anything--and
 > that no one on the committee would have let him--because i know a lot
 > of them too, and as much as i disagree with each of them on one issue
 > or another, i trust their integrity.
 > i happen to be chair of the local hospice advisory board this year.
 > know what's sitting in my email inbox now for about 10 days--the
 > "minutes" of the last meeting.  i'm really not trying to hide them
 > from committee members.  i just haven't had time to circulate them--
 > oh, hell, you'll call me on that lie--if i'd responded to fewer of
 > these posts, i could have done it couldn't i.
 > if i didn't answer the right question try me again--maybe off list, i
 > doubt this is a big one in the grand scheme of things and if we
 > figure out it is, we can always post it--and believe me, if we find
 > there was a conspiracy, i'll sign right on with you.
 > mike
 >
 > ps responding to someone's post today, i promise that i use capital
 > letters only for emphasis because i think my underline does not work.
 > i'm not "yelling" ...
 >
 >
 >
 > On 2 May 2005 at 21:27, cjs wrote:
 >
 > > SO WHICH IS IT MIKE?
 > >
 > > Phil
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > -----Original message-----
 > > From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
 > > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:09:31 -0700
 > > To: cjs at turbonet.com
 > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] SO SORRY......
 > >
 > > > I don't know --
 > > >
 > > > The facilities committee meeting notes generally are posted right
 > > > after the meeting.  Last meeting, April 11, was just a time for
 > > > discussing how we all felt about the campaign thus far.  No action
 > > > taken, proposed, acted on, tabled, or discussed, other than the need
 > > > for all of us to keep getting the word out.
 > > >
 > > > keely
 > >
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