[Vision2020] Re: Subs and others
Warren Hayman
whayman at adelphia.net
Tue May 3 14:21:57 PDT 2005
Hello all,
Sorry to intrude, but which university is being discussed by everyone
here? I'd really like to profess there. What a life! Minimal grading,
minimal teaching, no need to stay current with a syllabus or events in
any field, have staff perform the clerical work, grad students to
dispatch those pesky undergrads; I want that job!
I wouldn't care to take classes there, however.
Warren Hayman
On Tuesday, May 3, 2005, at 12:24 PM, J Ford wrote:
> Just a minute...
>
> Most, if not all, Profs have TA's or GA's teaching the majority of
> their classes at the UI. To stay in contract, the prof has to have at
> least one class that they themselves teach. TA's and GA's are
> students who are WORKING for their Masters or PhD's. While the profs
> are not teaching the majority of their classes, it is true that they
> are working on research or some project for a National Lab. There are
> SOME departments that require profs to either bring in the research
> dollars or else, but that is on a departmental basis. What the UI did
> years ago was tell its people that the money was simply not available
> through the legislature and they needed to find funding for their own
> projects.
>
> As far as taking this many hours to prepare for a class or that many
> hours, let's get serious here. Profs as a whole, don't grade their
> student's papers - they hire "graders" or have the TA's/GA's grade
> them. If there is a dispute, the student can take it to the prof, but
> a lot of the time it stays at the level of the TA/GA. Since the prof
> has most likely been teaching their class for a number of years, they
> have their lesson plans and syllibus already made up by the beginning
> of the semester. And they don't type them, the clerical staff does.
> Basically, most profs have clerical or TA/GA's copy information to be
> handed out. I beleive if you were to take a poll, most of the prof's
> work is locked into their research. I am not diminishing the prof's
> worth, just clarifying what they do.
>
> As far as this:
>
> "In the state of Idaho all you need to teach as an "emergency"
> substitute teacher is a bachelor's degree and pass the background
> check. Many janitors around here meet those requirements."
>
> The statement that Ms. Huskey made was: "More to the point, would that
> be the Mary Lang who
> cut costs at Moscow Charter School back when my daughter was a
> kindergarten student (2000-2001) by allowing the janitor, a high
> school drop out, to serve as a substitute teacher?"
>
> To argue that janitors are not worthy of teaching is missing the point
> - ANYONE who teaches (in public schools) has to, by law, have a
> certificate to teach that subject or a general certificate such as an
> Elementrary/High School certificate. You can not just grab anyone
> working in the school and tell them "here, you teach today" just
> because you need a body in the class. To use a non-certified person,
> they have to have a VALID teaching creditional, they have to be
> registered with the Human Resources of the District, the
> Superintendant HAS to declare an emergency (i.e. there are NO
> classified subs available) and the sub, classifeid or non, HAS to have
> passed the background check and they have to be on the substitute > list.
>
> And a LOT of those aids that are working at the schools are
> PART-TIMERS - they do not make as much as some TA/GA's I know. I was
> amazed at just how much a scholarship student could make just being
> involved in a program - more than some teachers or even IH personnel
> get! Plus, they get paid out of the research grants - not the UI
> general funds. Aides and subs are paid out of the MSD annual budget
> monies.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> --- "melyndahuskey at earthlink.net"
>> <melyndahuskey at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Vision 2020 Friends,
>> >
>> > In a recent email to levy opponents calling for the
>> > blanket replacement of the entire Board of Trustees
>> > and Moscow School District administration, Jack
>> > Wenders writes:
>> >
>> > "My recommendations for Superintendent Donicht's
>> > replacement? UI President Tim White, who cut a
>> > couple of million out of UI's spending; Mary Lang,
>> > Principal of the Moscow Charter School, which runs
>> > successfully by spending less than $5000 per student
>> > of Idaho taxpayers' money."
>> >
>> > Interesting proposal. Would that be the President
>> > White who wasted all that money on a statistical
>> > analysis of academic programs that the faculty were
>> > able to discredit within minutes of seeing it? Who
>> > just hired a breathtakingly expensive temporary Vice
>> > President--and threw in a $25,000 lagniappe to his
>> > headhunting firm, a car, and three trips a month to
>> > the coast?
>> >
>> > More to the point, would that be the Mary Lang who
>> > cut costs at Moscow Charter School back when my
>> > daughter was a kindergarten student (2000-2001) by
>> > allowing the janitor, a high school drop out, to
>> > serve as a substitute teacher? In those days, MCS
>> > had a 97% teacher turn-over rate each year, a
>> > striking inefficiency. Special education services
>> > were extremely limited. And educational outcomes
>> > were less than stellar, despite the hard work of the
>> > excellent teachers (all of whom were able to find
>> > other jobs, thank goodness).
>> >
>> > I've had a rather extensive experience with charter
>> > schools--after our daughter left MCS, we tried out
>> > Renaissance Public Charter School, where I ended up
>> > not only serving on the Board, but doing a brief
>> > stint as Chair. When Jack Wenders writes:
>> >
>> > "The hard facts are that private and charter schools
>> > are one-third to one-half the size of comparable
>> > public schools, have no administrative structure
>> > above the school level, and operate at 60-65% of the
>> > per pupil cost of the public schools, at most. And
>> > their students learn at least as much."
>> >
>> > I have to laugh. The lack of experienced
>> > administrative oversight above the school level was
>> > a key element in the failure and bankruptcy of RPCS.
>> > The board simply lacked the support, experience,
>> > and knowledge necessary to run a school properly in
>> > the face of deliberate, self-interested
>> > incompetence. And while RPCS did operate at a lower
>> > per-pupil cost for awhile, ultimately it went
>> > bankrupt, because the lower funds it received from
>> > the state were insufficient to cover the costs.
>> >
>> > Serving on the RPCS Board was one of the most
>> > frustrating experiences of my professional life--the
>> > incompetence of the school administration, the
>> > cronyism of the Board, and the complete refusal to
>> > respond to the needs of parents and teachers, which
>> > ultimately resulted in the resignation of half the
>> > Board and the loss of nearly half the student body
>> > in a two-week period. The remaining students
>> > suffered significant disruption to their education.
>> > I just wouldn't call that a heartwarming story of
>> > charter school success.
>> >
>> > And didn't the state just bail out the Idaho Virtual
>> > Academy to the tune of a couple of million bucks?
>> > That's not the way I want my state education dollars
>> > spent, to protect the business interests of
>> > education profiteers like William "Baby Needs a New
>> > Pair of Shoes" Bennett while our facilities decay
>> > and our districts starve. If these schools are so
>> > efficient, why the need for extra cash?
>> >
>> > Melynda Huskey
>> >
>> > P.S. I've been wondering if anyone's annualized
>> > Jack Wenders' salary at UI? It's an interesting
>> > exercise. According to Ron Force, Prof. Wenders
>> > earned about $43,000 per year. Professorial time is
>> > generally calculated at 9 hours a week per class.
>> > Prof. Wenders, if my research is correct, taught one
>> > class per year, which puts his hourly rate of pay at
>> > $263.80. Annualized to 2080 hours per year--what
>> > most of the rest of us work, and what he could have
>> > worked if he'd chosen to, according to his own and
>> > the Cato Institute's logic--that puts him at
>> > $548,711.65. Add benefits at 21.6% of $43,000
>> > (another $9,288) and you have one seriously overpaid
>> > critic of teacher salaries.
>> >
>> > Makes you wonder if UI would have more money now if
>> > they'd spent more wisely then.
>> >
>> > melyndahuskey at earthlink.net
>> > EarthLink Revolves Around You.>
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