[Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
Donovan Arnold
donovanarnold at hotmail.com
Wed Mar 23 18:20:30 PST 2005
Mr. Budge writes, "I caution using polls as a guiding light on this issue as
most Americans are not paying attention to details and give a cursory
opinion of their feelings."
You mean just like all the other public opinion polls?
Take Care,
Donovan J Arnold
>From: "David M. Budge" <dave at davebudge.com>
>To: Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:43:46 +0000
>
>I caution using polls as a guiding light on this issue as most Americans
>are not paying attention to details and give a cursory opinion of their
>feelings. The facts complicate this greatly. I certainly have not addressed
>anyone's morality on the issue except those that make snarky comments about
>human vegetables and other glib observations.
>
>There are good arguments on both sides of whether it is more "moral" to let
>her live or let her died. As for Doug Wilson - you all seem to address
>that issue and don't need my help.
>
>db
>
>Carl Westberg wrote:
>
>>I generally try to refrain from bringing Doug Wilson up on this listserve.
>> But, in relation to the Terri Schiavo case, I have to reference a
>>posting on his blog. I still maintain that there are good people on both
>>sides of the issue with honorable intentions. Evidently I'm wrong. He
>>sums up his argument against the majority opinion of the country by
>>declaring that "an inability to follow an argument of this nature is a
>>profound moral failing." That I'm guilty of profound moral failure is a
>>shock to no one, but some 65% of the country is, too? Wow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl Westberg Jr.
>>
>>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>To: "'David M. Budge'" <dave at davebudge.com>, "'Donovan Arnold'"
>>><donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, pkraut at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>>>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800
>>>
>>>One question that seems appropriate and has not been asked:
>>>
>>>Why hadn't Terri Schiavo's parents filed for legal guardianship of Terri
>>>ten
>>>years ago when Michael had a relationship with another woman? I feel
>>>that
>>>it would have curtailed all of this from happening. They could have
>>>applied
>>>for legal guardianship claiming that Michael no longer has Terri's best
>>>interests at heart.
>>>
>>>Thoughts?
>>>
>>>Tom Hansen
>>>Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>>We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some
>>>are
>>>dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they all
>>>exist very nicely in the same box.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>>On Behalf Of David M. Budge
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:31 AM
>>>To: Donovan Arnold
>>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; pkraut at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>>>
>>>If anyone is curious as to the issues of the "Finding of Facts" in this
>>>case, there is a very comprehensive review done by Reverend Robert
>>>Johansen which was published on the National Review website last week at
>>>http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/johansen200503160848.asp .
>>>
>>>Admittedly Father Johansen is bias toward keeping Terri alive in consort
>>>with the Catholic Church. But as I have been following this case I have
>>>come to understand much of what the Schlindler's have been saying about
>>>the judicial proceedings and what they determine as blind intransigence
>>>on the part of the Florida courts.
>>>
>>>Also, the money that was awarded Michael and Terri Schiavo breaks
>>>something like this. The total award was about $1.6 million. After
>>>legal fees Michael received $300,000 and a medical trust was set up for
>>>Terri with something just less that $900,000. Much of the $900,000 has
>>>been spent on legal fees for Michael's cause which was authorized by the
>>>Florida courts. I have no idea about life insurance, but if there is
>>>any it is likely owned by Michael and therefor has not been subject to
>>>public disclosure.
>>>
>>>I also assume that my referring some of you to the National Review will
>>>be dismissed out of hand as wingnut crap. Don't bother to send me email
>>>telling me so. I'm not interested in knee jerk dismissals.
>>>
>>>db
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>
>>> > Pat and others,
>>> >
>>> > Life insurance is only paid after someone dies, to my understanding.
>>> > Medical insurance can run out, but that is different. We have no way
>>> > of knowing if it is the case that the husband or his children would
>>> > get money or not. Nonetheless, that does not mean that there are not
>>> > legitimate reasons on both sides of the issue. What bothers me the
>>> > most is the attempts to demonize the other side. Most the people that
>>> > are saying keep her alive or end her life are saying so because they
>>> > believe that is the most loving thing to do, not because they wish her
>>> > or her family to suffer. I think people need to keep that into
>>> > perspective when talking about this sensitive issue that effects many
>>> > people.
>>> >
>>> > Tom Delay is an idiot, and for him to attack her husband is way out of
>>> > line. He should be ashamed of his public behavior.
>>> >
>>> > Take Care,
>>> >
>>> > Donovan J Arnold
>>> >
>>> >> From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>> >> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>>> >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:22:08 -0800
>>> >>
>>> >> On Nightline last night an attorney involved in the case said that
>>>the
>>> >> Husband could not touch the lawsuit money in any way. The insurance
>>> >> ran out
>>> >> a long time ago. She is now on Medicare etc.
>>> >> This whole thing is such a mess. My questions start with how did she
>>>get
>>> >> this way to start with? Who made the medical decisions that put that
>>> >> tube in
>>> >> to start with? And it only goes downhill from there.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75 at moscow.com>
>>> >> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:48 AM
>>> >> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I have heard there is a money issue
>>> >> involved (life insurance?).
>>> >>
>>> >> Either way, I agree with you, Carl, that it doesn't matter what you
>>>SAY,
>>> >> you'd better get your wishes written down.
>>> >>
>>> >> DC
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Carl Westberg
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:44 AM
>>> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> In following the Terri Schiavo story, I find it disheartening that
>>>good
>>> >> people on both sides of the issue show such acrimony toward the
>>>"other
>>> >> side". As well as I can discern, those who feel she should be kept
>>> >> alive do
>>> >> so out of compassion. And, those who feel she should be allowed to
>>>die
>>> >> feel
>>> >> that way out of an equal compassion. I happen to be among the
>>>latter,
>>> >> though I have friends and family members who are among the former.
>>>All
>>> >> good
>>> >> people, with the possible exception of myself. If any public good
>>>can
>>> >> come
>>> >> out this tragic case, perhaps more people will be persuaded to write
>>> >> living
>>> >> wills, so it cannot happen to them. I intend to. I cannot imagine
>>> >> enduring
>>> >> 15 years of "life" the way Mrs. Schiavo has.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Carl Westberg Jr.
>>> >>
>>> >>
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