FW: RE: [Vision2020] Trinity

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Thu Mar 17 22:06:25 PST 2005

One item that Mr. Hall fails to mention in his "history" lesson of Christ 
Church is that Mr. Wilson has been "denounced as a heretic by the RPCUS 
Presbytery" for his erroneous and RPCUS-contra-indicated-idiology in regards 
to the sacraments and sociality.  Basically, this means Mr. Wilson has been 
told he is not following the Reformed Presbytey's own doctrines and has in 
fact been told his views are those of a heretic.

That is NOT "well within the mainstream of what that tradition has 
represented for hundreds of years" as Mr. Hall would like you to believe.

BTW - this information is available on-line so I am not speaking out of 
turn.  It can be researched very easily by going to the church's 
open-to-the-public web-site and clicking on "Doug Wilson's Examination by 
the CREC Presbytery" button.  It can also be found on the RPCUS web site, 
http://www.gospelcom.net/hsc/articles/RPCUStoChristKirk.php. or on 
http://www.christkirk.com/DiscussionWithRPCUS/RPCUSDiscussion.asp or on 
http://www.puritans.net/onheresy.htm, etc.  The list is rather long and 
PUBLICLY available.

As far as you going to a service to meet/greet Mr. Wilson be prepared...the 
sermon alone runs about 1-1/2hours with ridiculously long songs proceeding 
it and another 1/2hour of preparing/partaking of the sacraments afterwards.  
Not to mention that as a "marked" person at the service for the first time, 
you will definitely get a chance to "get an idea of what makes him tick."  I 
also recommend you try to get there early as the chairs go fast (one family 
in the church has 18! children, but most have about 4/5 with plenty others 
on the way - these people believe in reproducing big time!) as the bleachers 
can be very hard to sit on for two or more hours.  Also, check out what the 
sermon schedule is by going to 
http://www.christkirk.com/CurrentLectionary.pdf...it'll give you an idea, at 
least, of what Mr. Wilson is expected to discuss on a particular day.

Good luck to you, laddy.

P.S. it would be interesting to hear your take on things IF you decide to go 
some Sunday.

>From: "Mike Hall" <mikehall at moscow.com>
>To: "'Timothy Rigsby'" <timo5277 at uidaho.edu>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinity
>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:17:00 -0800
>Thanks for your perspective.
>I would issue a personal challenge though.  I dare you to come to Christ
>Church this Sunday morning.  I will personally introduce you to Doug Wilson
>and you can have a conversation with him.  During the service you will also
>get an idea of what makes him tick.  I sincerely believe you will find that
>there are a bunch of regular ole good people there on Sunday, and I think
>you will find Doug himself to be a decent guy.  If you're up for the
>challenge, I will meet you at the back of the Logos gym on A Street after
>the service.  I will be wearing a blue blazer, grey pants and a tie.
>p.s. - as an aside and to provide more information, Christ Church, contrary
>to what some may say, is a Reformed Evangelical church well within the
>mainstream of what that tradition has represented for hundreds of years.
>What has evolved over the years is the world we live in.  The views of the
>Bible are not in vogue anymore, in many parts of America at least.  Hence,
>when Pastor Wilson speaks and preaches that which has been proclaimed for
>millennia, he is vilified by many.  That's fine.  Doug's a big boy and he
>can handle it.  It's quite humorous that some would degenerate into name
>calling via terms like "cult" and the like.  Yet those at Christ Church, as
>well as many, many folks throughout the Palouse not affiliated with Christ
>Church, know that such inflammatory rhetoric is not helpful to public
>discussion of issues that are near and dear to all of us.  But that is not
>their goal I suppose.  I won't speculate on the felt needs they are
>objectifying through their posts, but there are many in this community that
>see through their façade.  And whether or not there is agreement or
>disagreement, their agenda is clear and it is not dialogue; it is not
>community; it is not good will towards all men...and women.  Well, enough
>with the side comments.  I hope you will rise to my personal challenge.  I
>remember my college days and the questions that were burning in my heart at
>that time.  I hope you are still open-minded enough to consider that what
>you read on vision 2020 is not all reality...
>For more reading on the beliefs of Christ Church, visit
>http://www.christkirk.com and click on the "confession" link...here's a
>I believe in God the Father Almighty; Maker of heaven and earth, and in
>Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the Holy
>Ghost, and born of the virgin, Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was
>crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into Hades. On the third day
>He rose again, ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the
>Father; from thence He will come to judge the living and the dead. I 
>in the Holy Ghost, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the
>forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life 
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>On Behalf Of Timothy Rigsby
>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:16 PM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Trinity
>According to the Dean of Students office at UI, their mission includes the
>following statements:
>a) "Our purpose is to support the academic mission of the University and to
>the personal growth and civic responsibility of students."
>If this is the case then the Dean of Students needs to object to this event
>because of
>the lack of support for the academic mission of the University, and the 
>that this
>event will not support the personal growth OR civic responsibility of
>except the students who protest I guess.
>b) "We promote educational and leadership experiences which prepare 
>serve their communities and respect the dignity of all persons."
>Again, the Dean of Students must object because this event does not promote
>educational and leadership experiences.  This event definitely does not
>students to serve their community, and obviously does not respect the
>dignity of all persons.
>"We believe..."
>c)  "Students have the right . . . to be treated with equity, honesty, and
>respect in
>d)  "Students are valuable partners in decision-making activities 
>issues that affect the quality of campus life."  OBVIOUSLY NOT SINCE THIS
>e) "It is our duty to the people of Idaho to use resources responsibly." IS
>Just a few thoughts from a students perspective.
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