[Vision2020] An interesting little covey...

Thu Jun 2 23:03:06 PDT 2005

Saundra,

First, I do not chide into PEOPLE because I disagree
with them (wit the exception of government leaders and
when people do it to me first). I challenge the
content of message not the character of the messenger.
It is you and your friends that attack people and call
them names when they say or do something to your
disapproval. Do you want me to paw through the V2020
archives to show you the 200+ posts you missed of when
you and your friends made personal attacks on people
here and you said nothing? Did I ever call you names
Ms. Lund? No, it is you that attacked and ostracized
me for opposing the school levy and for opposing your
full frontal assault on members of our community for
their religion because YOU have gone to far. I have
never been mean to you. It is you that disregards me,
I have always tried to be respectful to you. 

It is not I that sits back and say nothing when people
on V2020 attack everyone with nasty evil vindictive
responses to people. Seriously, your friends attack as
many as 7 people in a single posting. YOU SAY NOTHING,
then in another email claim your Christianity!

Second, me and Dale are not buddies. We can disagree
on issues, considerably, and discuss our disagreements
without calling each other names, or resorting to
childish name calling. I agree with Dale on some
issues regarding limiting government and fiscal
responsibility of the government. I can also comment
against his positions of abortion, homosexuality, and
religious conservatism without a response in return
about how I am so stupid I cannot tie my shoes and I
should learn to comb my hair because I am a humorless
ugly cruel person.

Third, I did comment on the content of the post that
Dale made to insure that people knew that I did not
think people on that list were nasty. 

Furthermore, the comments were not about what was said
in the email, but in fact where the emails were being
sent. Commenting on someone sending a letter to
someone is much different than discussing the content
of the letter.

Did Dale read a letter to someone else intended for
someone else? Yes he did. And it was wrong. Did you
really NEED me to point that out to you? 

So if you want consistency Ms. Lund, why not apply
your high moral standards to yourself and your friends
to the same degree that you expect me to apply them to
Dale Courtney--whom you assume I am best buddies with
because I agreed with him, like 56%+ of the population
in Moscow, that the School levy was a bad idea.

The world is not divided into the Doug Wilsons and
Anti-Doug Wilsons Ms Lund. Both sides can be right and
wrong. ANYONE that decides that Wilson is always
wrong, and the anti-Wilsons are always right is
ignorant. Neither side has a monopoly on truth and
morality. 

You have lost your sense of objectivity in your blind
hatred of Doug Wilson, Ms Lund. It has consumed you to
the point that you think Doug Wilson is trying to kill
homosexuals, take over the government, and put a
school up in every lot downtown and teach a return to
slavery. It is clear your line of thinking is that
anyone that disagrees with you that Doug Wilson is
Satan in the flesh they are considered his buddy and
confident. Thus in your head because I do not HATE
Doug Wilson and Dale Courtney or anyone else that says
"hi" to Wilson, I must therefore be his buddy and
approve of his actions and agree with his religious
believes. That is such ignorance. It is obvious that
you are practicing discrimination against one group of
people for their religious beliefs. Even the city
council is seeing this as harassment. I strongly
disagree with Wilson's beliefs. But I am more
distraught by your bigotry, intolerance, and flagrant
disregard for the basic inherent rights that all
humans should to practice their religion. 

Donovan J Arnold

--- Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:

> With all the talk about glass houses . . . 
> 
> For another "interesting little covey" that's the
> *real* "Nasty Nine + a
> few":
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Dale Courtney
> Sent: Friday, 15 October 2004 4:42 PM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Cc: Dave Glasebrook; abkulbe at hotmail.com; Jack Van
> Deventer; Donn Morse;
> r.contender at juno.com; Roy Atwood; Wes; Greg
> Dickison; Mike Hall; John
> Carnahan; Joe Myers; Keith Deimler; Doug Wilson;
> Doug Farris; Dale Courtney;
> John Moss; scottwmcd at hotmail.com;
> thumper at mail.wsu.edu
> _____
>  
> Now, I could be just as big a scumbag as Dale and
> provide you with a list of
> the email addys & associated names, but I think
> that's just plain slimy & I
> choose not to stoop to that level.  However, Dale
> *did* send the above post
> to V2020, unlike the *private* email of Tom's that
> was inadvertently (giving
> the benefit of the doubt to the poster) publicly
> posted by J Ford.
> 
> A question that pops to my mind is:  will Donovan
> Arnold be consistent?
> Earlier, he posted the following to V2020:
> "When someone posts an email intended NOT FOR YOU, I
> would hope that people
> would ignore it not exploit it and the people in the
> mail.  At least that is
> what my mother taught, not to read other people's
> mail and personal letters
> even when you have access to them. Has that rule
> changed?"
> 
> Did Donovan learn the lesson his mother tried to
> teach him?  Will he chide
> his buddy Dale for such bad behavior the way he rips
> into just about every
> V2020 poster who disagrees with him?  Will this
> finally cause Donovan to
> distance himself from Dale & his despicable
> behavior?
> 
> The answer is a resounding "No!"  In fact, he felt
> free not only to read
> email not intended for him but *also* to comment on
> it on Dale's blog.
> 
> Yeah, the timing of the "glass house" comments was
> pretty fortuitous  . . .
> too bad Dale Courtney didn't heed the advice.
> 
> 
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is
> for good people to do
> nothing.
> Edmund Burke
> 
> ***** Original material contained herein is
> Copyright 2005 by Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
> the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the
> author.*****
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Dale Courtney
> Sent: Thursday, 02 June 2005 5:57 PM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] An interesting little covey...
> 
> <snip> 
> 
> Looks like the Nasty Nine + a few. 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Best,
> Dale
> 
> 
>
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