[Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used - Yeah,
but by whom is thetrue question
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 7 16:54:23 PDT 2005
Keely and J Ford,
What does the Bible say about accusing people of
committing a crime and doing it yourself? Like say,
for example, accusing NSA of violating zoning codes
while the MSD does the same thing?
Donovan J Arnold
--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Excellent, J. My only thought is that the
> Scriptures anticipate the
> (sinful), gloating reaction of those who would mock
> Sisera for his
> cowardice, using Deborah as the "point man" for
> their mockery -- when God
> clearly chose her as His point person for the
> battle.
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
> Yeah,but by whom is thetrue
> question
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:19:08 -0700
>
> Ok, you need to try reading that enrire chapter.
>
> Deborah was a prophetis and a "judge of Israel" and
> at the time of this
> particular passage, "And she would sit under the
> palm tree of Deborah
> between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of
> Ephraim. And the children of
> Israel came up to her for judgement." (Judges 4:5)
>
> She states to Israel what was going to happen at
> God's hand in regards to a
> battle with Sisera (a MALE leader, BTW) and how
> Sisera will be delivered up
> to Israel: "Up! For this is the day in which the
> Lord has delivered Sisera
> into your hand. Has not the Lord gone out before
> you?" (Judges 4:14) The
> passage clearly states Barak's resistance to go into
> battle without Deborah;
> she goes with him but it was not what God had wanted
> to have happen - and
> not because she was a woman.
>
> To end that chapter of the Bible, Israel won the
> battle and Israel "rested
> for forty years" afterwards...with Deborah in their
> midst. In fact, "Then
> Deborah and Barak sang on that day." (Judges 5:1)
>
> The WHOLE Bible needs to be read as a WHOLE, not
> just parts that say what
> you want it to.
>
> J ;)
>
>
>
> >From: "New man" <1564_2 at mail.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
> Yeah, but by whom is
> >thetrue question
> >Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:22:50 -0500
> >
> >JFord,
> >
> >You seem to think there is something wrong with
> promoting men to
> >positions of leadership, as opposed to women. You
> should consider
> >Deborah, in the Bible:
> >
> >"And she said, I will surely go with thee:
> notwithstanding the journey
> >that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for
> the LORD shall sell
> >Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose,
> and went with Barak
> >to Kedesh" (Judges 4:9).
> >
> >Deborah knew that being led by a woman was
> something to be ashamed of,
> >even though she was a woman.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "J Ford"
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
> Yeah, but by whom is
> > the true question
> > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:28:13 -0700
> >
> > >
> > > Not sure who you think is listening, but
> obviously you don't listen
> > > very well. Not only is Wilson elbow deep in
> politics, he is
> > > encouraging and promoting members of CC to get
> into the political
> > > arena in Moscow. Paul Kimmell is a prime
> example of Doug
> > > supporting the political ambitions of his men
> CC members.
> > >
> > > Maybe what you meant is that he is not
> encouraging everyone in CC
> > > to join the political field - he does seem to
> be continuing to
> > > groom certain men vs. others.
> > >
> > > And your name is GOD is it? that you can
> declare someone a
> > > God-hater as well as irreligious? People can
> and do disagree on
> > > many things including God's will, but that
> does not mean they hate
> > > God or are not faithful to Him. Calling
> someone a God hater
> > > without knowing them in person is
> irresponsible and risky.
> > >
> > > Innocents are those free of blame, guiltless,
> above suspicion, in
> > > the clear, etc. Since Adam and Eve were the
> originators of sin and
> > > our sin comes from them, we - none of us - are
> guiltless or "in the
> > > clear...including you and Doug W.
> > >
> > > Seems to me being intolerant can and does flow
> in two directions.
> > >
> > > J ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: "the man" <1564 at mail.com>
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used
> > > > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:16:07 -0500
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Citizens of Moscow,
> > > >
> > > > Some people revile Pastor Doug Wilson for
> encouraging us to stay
> > out of
> > > > politics. They don’t understand: Politics
> will never save us.
> > > > Politics is not a panacea. This was made
> very clear last night
> > when our
> > > > elected city officials decided to delay
> fixing the zoning fiasco
> > until
> > > > October 1st!
> > > >
> > > > Moscow! Look how you’re being used! Look how
> you’ve become
> > > > the instrument of persecution for a handful
> of irreligious God
> > haters.
> > > >
> > > > Moscow! Look how the intoloristas have made
> you their weapon to
> > strike
> > > > the innocent!
> > > >
> > > > Moscow! Your children weep for your lack of
> discernment!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
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