[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] The Future
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Jul 1 12:13:34 PDT 2005
Excellent post. There is plenty of common ground to build on.
From: "Phil Nisbet" pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:00:31 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] The Future
> For the very reasons that you state, this community has to stop quibbling
> over the tiny stuff and start organizing to become more politically
> effective in insuring that Micron and the Eagle Mafia do not high grade all
> of our futures.
> You and I have had many a politcal disagreement over the years, but I do not
> call you names and you have never done such to me. We can disagree and
> still discuss, find common ground and accomplish joint goals.
> I am not sure that all the people on this list are aware of the things can
> be accomplished when people of varying views set aside anomosity and strive
> When Phil Nisbet of Grassroots for Multiple Use and Mark Solomon of the ICL
> put aside their differences, the first Habitat Conservation Agreement for
> Endangered Species was born. That agreement ended up restoring miles of
> spawning grounds for Chinook Salmon and steelhead and at the same time gave
> ranchers in Lemhi and Custer Counties a chance to clean up their acts
> without extreme financial hardship. We could have just as easily screamed
> at each other and hurled insults, but I still remember the fun of doing
> pledge for pledge of GMU against ICL on Books for Bucks (Candice Donnicht's
> annual Salmon School District fundraiser) on the Salmon Radio instead.
> We can make a great community better by practicing some commity We can make
> a great community better by seeking our common ground and finding ways to
> work together to achieve our common dreams. If Phil and Mark can do it,
> surely some of the rest of these well educated and well meaning folks can
> find it in themselves to do the same?
> Phil Nisbet
> >From: Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com>
> >To: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Future
> >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:22:21 -0700
> >The shipment of UI jobs to campuses elsewhere has less to do with local
> >real estate and a lot more to do with the parochialism of the Idaho
> >Legislature. The Legislature, for reasons known (Simplot, Micron, the Boise
> >"mafia", etc) and unknown have been doing their best to shave off programs
> >from the UI Moscow campus for over 20 years. The engineering programs have
> >been their largest target. You're right... those programs stand the best
> >chance of receiving grants that focus on technology and they are to a large
> >extent going elsewhere. The University Place project (before it turned into
> >the debacle it now is) was primarily a UI response to that Legislative
> >Until the Legislature changes their tune on both program emphasis location
> >and appropriate employee compensation, local Moscow development issues are
> >just about irrelevant to retaining a quality research faculty at the UI.
> >Mark Solomon
> >At 9:14 AM -0700 7/1/05, Phil Nisbet wrote:
> >>You can have all the little stores in downtown that you dream of and it
> >>will not replace any lose of high paying University Salaries. And other
> >>Universities are snapping up what this one either turns away or ships to
> >>other locations.
> >>Just as an example, the plastics industry is moving to include
> >>nanotechnology into its designs to make nano-composite materials that will
> >>help to improve the life of products. If a plastic bummer is stronger
> >>than steel and has half the weight, energy savings result. If a
> >>nano-composite can make a house less flammable, lives are saved and inert
> >>nano-composites can be used to replace more toxic fire retardants.
> >>So the plastics industry sees growth in those types of materials going
> >>from less than 1% of their sales to 30-40% of their sales in the next
> >>decade, from a current sales of just under a $100,000,000 to in excess of
> >>4 trillion dollars.
> >>University of Alaska Fairbanks just snagged $17,000,000 in a grant to
> >>study just one aspect of nanotech composites. University of Pennsylvania
> >>picked up some research initially done here in Moscow and got a DOE grant
> >>for about ten million to look at how nano particles could assist in nuke
> >>waste disposal. Heck, the NIST of the Department of Commerce is handing
> >>away $600,000,000 a year in grants and do we have any active here in
> >>You have to sell one heck of a lot of Wild Women Traders dresses or a pot
> >>of Tie Die T-shirts to equal even a fraction of whats out there in terms
> >>of research money, let alone the potential for spin off technology
> >>businesses that this kind of work could be bringing in.
> >>If we keep losing jobs at U of I and refuse to get in touch with the
> >>future of technology, this will end up being nothing more than an admin
> >>center for branch campuses that get all the good jobs and all the Research
> >>Grants. How many shops can we have in Downtown, Tom, if the University
> >>loses more jobs and payroll?
> >>The reason that the non-conforming businesses are siting in downtown is
> >>that the business climate here makes downtown space cheap. Housing costs
> >>are through the roof here and what sort of disposable income do you think
> >>that kids making minimum wage at Wendys or Tri-State have once they pay
> >>their landlords? Half the school year population is living hand to mouth
> >>and we offer no better paying jobs to them. Want to see non-conforming
> >>uses move? Increase disposable income by getting some real jobs in here.
> >>If downtown businesses could make more profits, they would of a matter of
> >>course push those other businesses out and expand.
> >>How many jobs will beating the CCers up and forcing them to leave bring
> >>in? How many jobs will turning Wallmart out end up ponying up here in
> >>And its not that I concur with Doug Wilsons ideology or that I am in love
> >>with Wally Worlds stores, I just see people chasing their tails and
> >>refusing to deal with real economic development issues. This area needs
> >>jobs and yet this very list felt free to jump all over Barbara and claim
> >>she was part of an evile conspiracy for even suggesting that we need
> >>economic development. As the person in charge of Economic Development in
> >>the county, rather than assist her and get some desirable growth, she ends
> >>up fighting an uphill battle to get even a few things going in the Alturas
> >>So stop whining about downtown and tell us, what sort of development
> >>should we be looking at? How should we as a community get with the
> >>University to see that it ships no more jobs out to Boise or CDA? How
> >>should we go about attracting firms to move here and use our access to a
> >>large intellectual community to increase hob opportunity here?
> >>Thats what the FUTURE is about, not NSA or LOGOS or any of the other
> >>piddling issues that absorb your time.
> >>Phil Nisbet
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