[Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence

Pat Kraut pkraut at moscow.com
Tue Dec 27 10:40:13 PST 2005 

Opps, I thought I answered the one that was addressed to me. Sorry.
Some may wonder of my belief that the DN got the story right when I have
made some strong remarks about the press. Your right I do not trust many of
the press but I know Steve McClure and have talked to local officers and
other authorities about this and know that the story is as stated. This is a
local issue that I can check up on myself and get the unvarnished story. I
only wonder now what excuse Mubita's lawyer will come up with to try and get
him off.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: <pkraut at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence


Pat,

what you said is true, however, I was addressing Ted Moffet and his thoughts
towards Kanay. If you feel this was addressed towards you, it was not. I
hope you don't feel I was attacking your views.


>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
>Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:06:45 -0800
>
>I have not said the 'gossip' I have heard and have not heard it from anyone
>else on this site. I have read the story just as it is known from the
>personal experience of some and the news reports from several locations. A
>rehash of the news is not gossip. Hearing from someone the 'I heard' is
>gossip and I have heard but will not repeat it on this site or anywhere
>else! He will get as fair a trial as anyone else in Moscow.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>To: <Tbertruss at aol.com>; <CJs at Turbonet.com>; <chasuk at gmail.com>;
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:20 PM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
>
>
>Ted,
>
>You wrote,
>There is no doubt that too much discussion of the certain guilt of an
>accused
> >facing charges can hamper the legal system in assuring a fair trial.
> >Prosecutors and judges can feel pressure from the public to make
>decisions
> >based on a
> >kind of mob frenzy, rather than the guide of lady justice blindfolded
> >holding
> >the scales (fairness) and sword (the power of the legal system).
>Unbiased
> >jurors can be hard to find when the press and media and even list serves
> >create
> >a bias in huge numbers of people regarding a specific criminal case.
> >Potential jurors need to state honestly that they can listen to the
> >evidence with an
> >open mind in a trial.
>
>           I agree, but wouldn't you say that this will happen with any
>publised trail. With that being, I would have to figure that Mubata's
>lawyers would certainly ask for jurors from elsewhere. Elsewhere meaning
>that "they" haven't heard of all of the gossip going on in vision 2020.
>Call
>me crazy.
>
>
> >From: Tbertruss at aol.com
> >To: CJs at Turbonet.com, chasuk at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Wayne's Analysis of Criminal Innocence
> >Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:13:46 EST
> >
> >
> >Shelley wrote:
> >
> >I STRONGLY believe Mubita's name and photo need
> >to be out there to notify the possible victims THEY NEED TO BE TESTED.
> >
> >I agree.
> >
> >Shelley wrote:
> >
> >Do you fully understand HIV?
> >
> >I have posted detailed information to the Vision2020 list regarding
> >scientific and statistical information on HIV/AIDS, with references.
> >Perhaps you
> >missed these posts?
> >
> >Shelley wrote:
> >
> >Regarding face to face counseling, if you would have done your homework
> >before posting such ridiculous statements you would have known it was a
> >counselor" that reported to the police to do a "well check" regarding
> >Mubita
> >possible being suicidal.
> >
> >My comments regarding Mubita's full understanding of what it means to be
> >HIV
> >positive were meant for speculation only, since of course I do not have
> >access
> >to all the facts in this case, nor do I think all the facts have been
> >discovered yet, or made public.
> >
> >You may have info that leads you to draw definite conclusions on the
>Mubita
> >case, but one of my main points was that now that Mubita is not a threat
>to
> >the
> >public, let the criminal justice system do its work to determine Mubita's
> >innocence or guilt.
> >
> >On that note, perhaps you'd like to respond to the following points from
> >the
> >same post you answered?
> >
> >If we trust our legal system, why not respect the very important
>principle
> >of
> >innocent until proven guilty, and let the system do its job?
> >
> >There is no doubt that too much discussion of the certain guilt of an
> >accused
> >facing charges can hamper the legal system in assuring a fair trial.
> >Prosecutors and judges can feel pressure from the public to make
>decisions
> >based on a
> >kind of mob frenzy, rather than the guide of lady justice blindfolded
> >holding
> >the scales (fairness) and sword (the power of the legal system). Unbiased
> >jurors can be hard to find when the press and media and even list serves
> >create
> >a bias in huge numbers of people regarding a specific criminal case.
> >Potential jurors need to state honestly that they can listen to the
> >evidence with an
> >open mind in a trial.
> >
> >Ted Moffett
>
>
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