[Vision2020] Saturday's paper
Shelly
CJs at turbonet.com
Sun Dec 18 20:51:32 PST 2005
Hi again Saundra,
I think you will be forgiven for more than your allotment of posts. Look,
they forgave me and I am WAY over. I will comment on a couple of your
statements.
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"How do you think this situation should have been handled? That is if
differently than how it is/was."
Well, that's a *good* question that deserves more thought than I have time
to give it now. But, a quick answer would be:
1) I wish we had been more proactive *before* so this situation wouldn't
have happened. Had we done a better job of education & empowerment, I hope
it wouldn't be so easy for *anyone* to find partners willing to engage in
high risk behavior (i.e., unprotected sex);
I to wish for more proactiveness. Hey - is that a word? But it happened. Now
we need to deal with it. Today. In addition to this situation, maybe we can
all become more proactive? The Mubita case needs attention. People need to
be educated. People need to know they are at possible risk.
2) I would have liked to see more emphasis on the "big picture" & extent of
the problem in general rather than such a narrow focus, and I'd like to have
seen it sooner;
You and me both. But how do you get the word out? Wouldn't it be more of a
scare if the word was, "hey - a guy tested positive for HIV that some of you
might be at risk from?" The word got out the best it could, however, it
could have gotten out faster. What if the Health Department issued a press
release and "forced" media outlets to report on possible health scares?
3) And, of course, I would have liked for ***everyone*** to remember that
everyone is innocent until proven guilty!
You are right here. It is hard as numerous blood tests have been conducted.
So many people have come forward. But the law is the law.
I'm interested in reading how others would answer the question, so thanks
for asking it!
Me too!
You also wrote:
"We have heard both sides, according to The Latah Eagles interview with Mr.
Mubita."
ROTFLMAO!!!! No offense to any reporters or papers, but ***surely*** you
don't believe everything you read in the papers, do you, or think that
newspaper articles tell the whole story???
I can definetly relate here. Did you read the actual article we are talking
about? After I know you have read it, let's talk further.
In another post, you wrote:
"One quick note to Saundra - the individuals that are HIV positive in our
community, are, to the best of my knowledge, are practicing safe sex. Or
abstinence. They are not pretending they do not carry a possible lethal
disease. As far as I know they are responsible."
I should have said, "the individuals that I talk to that are HIV positive
are responsible."
And, of course, I have to make the obvious statement: as this recent scare
has shown, we have a real problem with those engaging in high risk behavior
apparently not admitting the risks they are taking and participating in
regular testing. There can be a long period of time -- and lots of partners
-- between infection and diagnosis.
Yes, we do have a real problem.
In years past, I've known a person or two in our community who were HIV+:
neither were ever able to ascertain definitely *when* they'd contracted the
virus & thus had no real idea if they'd exposed anyone else :-( According
to the information they shared, they were both excruciatingly responsible
*once* they found out, but both admitted they could have unwittingly exposed
others *before* they found out :-(
This is the reason WHY education is so important. Why it is important to
say how the recent scare could affect an individual and why they need to get
tested. So the "tree" can stop. So they can know if they were infected or
not.
Thank you Saundra for your participation in this.
Shelley Roderick
-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly [mailto:CJs at Turbonet.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:46 AM
To: janestacarcich at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; sslund at adelphia.net
Cc: thansen at moscow.com; deco at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper
Hi Saundra,
Yes, he is presumed innocent till proven guilty. Blood tests don't lie.
I do have a question for you. How do you think this situation should have
been handled? That is if differently than how it is/was.
We have heard both sides, according to The Latah Eagles interview with Mr.
Mubita. I would be happy to send you that email if you missed it.
Shelley Roderick
-------Original Message-------
From: Saundra Lund <mailto:sslund at adelphia.net>
Date: 12/18/05 10:31:21
To: 'Janesta Carcich' <mailto:janestacarcich at yahoo.com> ; 'Vision 2020'
<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
Cc: 'Tom Hansen' <mailto:thansen at moscow.com> ; 'Art Deco'
<mailto:deco at moscow.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper
Hi Janesta & Visionaries:
Janesta, you wrote:
"He needs to be punished. Jail is punishment."
I don't mean to be picking on you, but did I miss something? You know,
something like the trial, judgment, and sentencing? What happened to the
presumption of innocence?
Also, can anyone share with us how bond amount is determined? Isn't the
purpose of bail just to make sure the defendant shows up for trial, *not* to
act as a punishment before guilt is determined?
Finally, I just want to add that with the reaction I've seen with respect to
this alleged situation, it's no wonder those in our community who are HIV+
(and you are living in a fairyland if you think he's the only one) keep it a
deep, dark secret.
I'd like to remind folks that there are ***always*** at least two sides to a
story, and we've not even heard one side.
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Janesta Carcich
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:57 AM
To: Tom Hansen; 'Art Deco'; 'Vision 2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper
No. he needs to stay in the Hotel Latah. I would much rather pay for him to
be there, health care included, than to be at home. He needs to be punished.
Jail is punishment. Staying home, watching tv, etc., is not punishment.
Janesta
--- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Perhaps, if Kenay were to be released on bond, he should be placed
> under house arrest and fitted with one of them nice shiny black
> bracelets.
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> Tom Hansen
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Art Deco
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:15 AM
> To: Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper
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> Shelley,
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> As I understand it, his bail is now set for $20,000.
> This means he could
> purchase a bail bond for $2,000.
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> Given the possible/probable consequences of and the possible
> continuance of his alleged behavior if he were to be bailed, $2,000 is
> a ridiculously small amount to guarantee his appearance to answer the
> several charges against him and to keep him from fleeing. [Remember
> Fredrick Russell.]
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> Perhaps after the preliminary hearing on Tuesday, his bail amount will
> be increased, if the prosecutor requests it and magistrate Hamlett
> sees fit to agree.
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> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
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> From: Shelly <mailto:CJs at turbonet.com>
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> To: mdoyle at dnews.com
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> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; smcclure at dnews.com
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> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:07 AM
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> Megan - is Kenay's "bond" set for $20,000.00 or his "bail?"
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> Shelley Roderick
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