[Vision2020] In Defense of Phil Nisbet

[Dan Carscallen]

Conjunction junction, what's your function?

DC

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Art Deco
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:45 AM
To: Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] In Defense of Phil Nisbet



Donovan,

Since when is ending an English sentence with a verb not permitted?

The irony in the above and this sentence, was it caught?

Perhaps you are confusing verbs and prepositions.  That might explain a
lot.

W.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>; "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] In Defense of Phil Nisbet


> "Perhaps Nick can educate Donovan about what a
> knowledge claim is.--W. Fox.
>
> Does the course have a lesson not to end a sentence
> with "is" or is this knowledge a prerequisite for
> entrance?
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
> --- Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps Nick can educate Donovan about what a
>> knowledge claim is.
>>
>> W.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donovan Arnold"
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Nicholas Gier" <ngier at uidaho.edu>;
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:06 PM
>> Subject: [Vision2020] In Defense of Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>> > Visionaries,
>> >
>> > Phil Nisbet has been offended by Ralph. I think to
>> > tell Phil he is wrong about his feelings and Ralph
>> is
>> > right about Phil's feelings is a fruitless
>> endeavor.
>> >
>> > Usually, when we offend someone we say, sorry, I
>> did
>> > not mean to offend you. Ralph did not do that, he attempted to 
>> > justify his offensive behavior by
>> saying
>> > he knows more about the Bible than Phil.
>> >
>> > I can tell you now that although Ralph knows 1000
>> > times more than I do about the Bible, he has
>> already
>> > said some things I know to be untrue about
>> Catholics.
>> > So the fact that he may have made mistakes about
>> the
>> > Jewish faith would not be surprising.
>> >
>> > A couple of comments on Dr. Geir's statements.
>> >
>> > 1) "Ralph has devoted much of his retirement to
>> the
>> > study of the Bible from a healthy skeptical
>> > perspective."
>> >
>> > Studying the Bible does not equate to knowing the
>> > Jewish faith, or any faith for that matter.
>> >
>> > 2)"He has proved time and time again that
>> Christians
>> > who claim to know the Bible usually don't know
>> what
>> > they are talking about."
>> >
>> > Phil Nisbet is not a Christian. Christians usually
>> > study only a small portions of the Bible. So this
>> is
>> > not surprising. If you are Catholic, like me, you
>> are
>> > spoon fed portions the Bible.
>> >
>> >
>> > 3) "If Phil could just stop and realize that Ralph
>> is
>> > talking scholarship"
>> >
>> > Why is the burden on Phil? Should Ralph not be the
>> one
>> > that realizes we are not talking scholarship?
>> >
>> >
>> > Faith cannot be studied from a factual
>> observational
>> > scientific viewpoint. It is entirely an internal relationship with 
>> > God. You cannot put it in a book
>> or
>> > debate it. Studying the Bible like the Rosetta
>> Stone,
>> > in my opinion, is the wrong way of going about it.
>> >
>> > Donovan J Arnold
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Greetings:
>> >
>> > I believed that Phil Nisbet has been unnecessarily
>> > harsh on my good
>> > friend Ralph Nielsen.  Ralph has devoted much of
>> his
>> > retirement to the
>> > study of the Bible from a healthy skeptical
>> > perspective.  He has proved
>> > time and time again that Christians who claim to
>> know
>> > the Bible usually
>> > don't know what they are talking about.
>> >
>> > Ralph and I have met devout Jews at scholarly
>> > conferences who are
>> > completely cool with the phrase "Hebrew Bible" and
>> > know how to distinguish a
>> > scholarly approach from a believer's approach.
>> >
>> > I suppose that Phil would not at all like my paper
>> > "Hebrew and Buddhist
>> > Concepts of Self," which is currently out for
>> blind
>> > review.  It
>> > demonstrates that the Hebrew scriptures as they
>> stand
>> > (not as they are
>> > interpeted by the various schools of Judaism) do
>> not
>> > support that idea of a
>> > substantial or immortal soul.  Phil quotes a
>> passage
>> > from Ecclesiastes
>> > and is unaware of the fact that what returns to
>> God is
>> > not an immortal
>> > soul, but the divine breath that animates all
>> life,
>> > including animal
>> > life. We and the animals return to the dust or a
>> > shadowy existence in
>> > Sheol.
>> >
>> > I appreciate the Jewish religious very much
>> because it
>> > generally does
>> > not take scripture literally, and it also takes
>> > traditions very
>> > seriously.
>> >
>> > If Phil could just stop and realize that Ralph is
>> > talking scholarship
>> > and he is talking about the Jewish tradition, this
>> > blow up could have
>> > been avoided.
>> >
>> > Nick Gier
>> >
>> > --- Nicholas Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Greetings:
>> >>
>> >> I believed that Phil Nisbet has been
>> unnecessarily
>> >> harsh on my good friend Ralph Nielsen.  Ralph has
>> >> devoted much of his retirement to the study of
>> the
>> >> Bible from a healthy skeptical perspective.  He
>> has
>> >> proved time and time again that Christians who
>> claim
>> >> to know the Bible usually don't know what they
>> are
>> >> talking about.
>> >>
>> >> Ralph and I have met devout Jews at scholarly
>> >> conferences who are completely cool with the
>> phrase
>> >> "Hebrew Bible" and know how to distinguish a
>> >> scholarly approach from a believer's approach.
>> >>
>> >> I suppose that Phil would not at all like my
>> paper
>> >> "Hebrew and Buddhist Concepts of Self," which is currently out for

>> >> blind review.  It demonstrates that the Hebrew scriptures as they 
>> >> stand (not as they are interpeted by the various schools of
>> >> Judaism) do not support that idea of a
>> substantial
>> >> or immortal soul.  Phil quotes a passage from Ecclesiastes and is 
>> >> unaware of the fact that what returns to God is not an immortal 
>> >> soul, but the divine breath that animates all life, including
>> >> animal life. We and the animals return to the
>> dust
>> >> or a shadowy existence in Sheol.
>> >>
>> >> I appreciate the Jewish religious very much
>> because
>> >> it generally does not take scripture literally,
>> and
>> >> it also takes traditions very seriously.
>> >>
>> >> If Phil could just stop and realize that Ralph is
>> >> talking scholarship and he is talking about the
>> >> Jewish tradition, this blow up could have been
>> >> avoided.
>> >>
>> >> Nick Gier
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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