[Vision2020] Public Prayer

[Donovan Arnold]

Wayne, Chas, Pat, others,

Me an Pat do not agree on much, but I concur with her
that Wayne is attempting to change the context and
meaning of that chapter and verse in the Bible. I
think he is aware of what is he is doing.

For starters, I am Catholic, and I use a Catholic
Bible, not the one he uses: "Young's Literal
Translation of Bible"--I do not know of anyone that
uses that Bible to be honest, most people I know use
the Book of Mormon, The Catholic Bible (The New
American Bible),the New King James Version (NKJV) or
NIV. 

For one, I do not use a literal interpretation of the
Bible, unless the Bible verse was obviously intended
that way. Second, I take the wording and context into
consideration.

The Catholic Bible does not use the exact same wording
as this other Bible that Wayne uses, "If you pray,
pray in private." 

It is apparent to anyone who reads the Catholic Bible
the meaning and context of this verse because it is
explained on the side bar of the page. You can also
figure it out by reading the entire chapter, not just
selected snip-its.

In addition, I wish to point out that Wayne stops at
verse seven (7) in this Chapter because in verse nine
(9) Jesus Christ begins with a public prayer, "Our
Father". This directly contradicts Wayne's
interpretation of no praying in public.

Again, this passage was meant to expose the
hypocritical Pharisees who pray for public praise and
not for God. Jesus was not condemning those that come
together for the glory and praise of God. He was
condemning those that pray publicly for praise of his
fellow man. That is not my or Pat's take on the issue,
that is what is says, and any professional Biblical
Scholar or legitimate Priest in a mainstream Christian
domination with affirm this. 

So to reiterate what Pat said. Wayne is not a priest
or pastor and has not learned in this issue. To take
his word and comprehension of the Bible over that of
the super majority that are professionals in this
field is illogical and foolish.


Donovan J Arnold

"Even the Devil can quote scripture to suit his
purposes"

--- Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

> Donovan, Pat, and others who do not appear to be
> able to read well,
> 
> I post again the passages from Matthew from Young's
> Literal Translation of Bible with different emphasis
> and ask you to read them carefully.
> 
> Matthew 6
> 
> 
> 
> 1'Take heed your kindness not to do before men, to
> be seen by them, and if not-reward ye have not from
> your Father who is in the heavens; 2whenever,
> therefore, thou mayest do kindness, thou mayest not
> sound a trumpet before thee as the hypocrites do, in
> the synagogues, and in the streets, that they may
> have glory from men; verily I say to you-they have
> their reward!
> 
> 3'But thou, doing kindness, let not thy left hand
> know what thy right hand doth, 4that thy kindness
> may be in secret, and thy Father who is seeing in
> secret Himself shall reward thee manifestly.
> 
> 5'And when thou mayest pray, thou shalt not be as
> the hypocrites, because they love in the synagogues,
> and in the corners of the broad places-standing-to
> pray, that they may be seen of men; verily I say to
> you, that they have their reward.
> 
> 6'But thou, when thou mayest pray, go into thy
> chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy
> Father who is in secret, and thy Father who is
> seeing in secret, shall reward thee manifestly.
> 
> 7'And-praying-ye may not use vain repetitions like
> the nations, for they think that in their much
> speaking they shall be heard, 8be ye not therefore
> like to them, for your Father doth know those things
> that ye have need of before your asking him;
> 
> 
> Unless I need to change glasses prescriptions again,
> the passage emphasized says:
> 
> "If you pray, pray in private."
> 
> I am aware that the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew,
> Luke) present some real problems for evangelists,
> "One Wayers", selective bible readers/propaganists,
> and proponents of biblical inerrancy.  The synoptic
> gospels are often at odds with other books of the
> New Testament not only with respect to public prayer
> but other even more critical issues.
> 
> For example, passages quoted many times in the last
> year on V 2020 make it clear that the authors of the
> Synoptic Gospels held that Jesus did not think it
> was necessary for a person to accept Jesus as the
> son of some alleged god and/or ask for forgiveness,
> nor even necessary to believe in the Christian God
> to be finely rewarded on the alleged day of
> judgment.
> 
> The passages from Luke about not judging others or
> casting the first stone also come to mind.
> 
> Interesting:  Of all the extant books of the present
> many versions of the bible, the Synoptic Gospels are
> believed to be those authored nearest to the date of
> the death of Jesus  - an estimated 40 -80 years
> separating the death with the authorships.
> 
> For those interested in a modern scholarly approach
> to such matters, reading the works of The Jesus
> Seminar may be quite enlightening.
> 
> http://virtualreligion.net/forum/
> 
> 
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
> >
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