[Vision2020] Building and development planning

[Donovan Arnold]

I was under the impression that the reason that oil
prices are going up is not because of a lack of oil
but because oil refineries are not able to keep up
with demand.

Correct me where I am wrong here, somebody.

Donovan J Arnold

--- Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Tom
> 
> Mark is a very serious environmental activist, so I
> am not sure why you 
> would direct such a comment to him.
> 
> As for who benefits from increased crude costs, the
> answer is the people who 
> hold or own crude oil reserves.
> 
> 1.  Saudi Arabia 261.9
> 2. Canada 178.81
> 3. Iran 125.8
> 4. Iraq 115.0
> 5. Kuwait 101.5
> 6. United Arab Emirates 97.8
> 7. Venezuela 77.2
> 8. Russia 60.0
> 9. Libya 39.0
> 10. Nigeria 35.3
> 
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html
> 
> Or if you prefer that on the basis of production
> rather than reserves
> 
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html
> 
> You can also look at the top ten oil importers as
> countries.
> 
> So the top dogs, the Saudis, are making money quite
> nicely.
> 
> But it might interest you to note that Norway is the
> third largest exporter 
> of oil.  Canada has the second largest reserves.  So
> if invading countries 
> for their oil was the idea, invading Norway would
> look pretty good as would 
> invading Canada.
> 
> Heck, Mexico produces and exports more oil than Iraq
> and they at least have 
> a great local beer.
> 
> So who is 'making money'?  The big winners are the
> top exporters, Saudi 
> Arabia, Russia and Norway and the big losers are the
> USA, Japan and China 
> since they import the largest amount of fuel.  In
> the US thats four billion 
> barrels of fuel a year at a current cost of a
> quarter of a trillion dollars, 
> but the Japanese are not far behind us.
> 
> The real clue on it all is per capita oil
> consumption and each and every 
> American is using over 20 barrels of oil a year,
> compared to a Japanese 
> using 15 Barrels or a German using 12.4 Barrels. 
> The differences are 
> related to life style in industrialized nations and
> also to production of 
> alternatives, like Nuke power.  Our actual BTU
> consumption of energy is only 
> slightly higher than other industrialized nations. 
> But they take the train 
> and tax gas to almost twice the price of US prices. 
> Its interesting to note 
> that Canada has as high an oil consumption as we do
> per capita, largely due 
> to their similarity in life styles.
> 
> Now I know you want to lay claim that the bulk of
> all that cash is flowing 
> to the hands of 'giant oil companies', but its tne
> national oil companies of 
> a few countries who are the ones making the killing.
>  PEMEX or Aramco are 
> doing one heck of a lot better than Exxon or
> Chevron, because they simply 
> own more oil and produce more oil than do the down
> streamers like the US oil 
> firms have become.
> 
> So rebuild our trains and do not turn them into
> trails.
> 
> Start supporting local production rather than trying
> to stop every mine and 
> every timber sale and every other bulk commodity
> from getting into 
> production.  Don't be a NIMBY.
> 
> Support Nuke plants, like the Japanese and Germans
> do.
> 
> And get behind programs like this one;
> 
> http://www.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/
> 
> Because its right in our backyard, the INL program
> on hydropower is worth 
> looking at, especially the low head site program
> they initiated over a 
> decade ago,  http://hydropower.inel.gov/
> 
> Because, Tom, when they blocked every Nuke plant,
> blocked every low head 
> hydro development, stopped every natural gas
> development, blocked geothermal 
> drilling, protested windmills and a whole lo5t more,
> while at the same time 
> keeping up the same old life styles, yes, a good
> many environmental 
> activists stand as guilty as the rest of us and
> perhaps more that we are 
> seeing the price of oil leap.
> 
> Chance how we supply energy and change how we demand
> it, that is whats 
> needed, the demand side is up to you, not the oil
> companies.
> 
> Phil Nisbet
> 
>
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