[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

Thu Aug 18 15:36:10 PDT 2005

Sunil,

We are not communicating obviously. I do not support
state religion. I just oppose the government telling
me I cannot pray and banning religion. Nor do I
believe that persons have a constitutional right not
to see or hear praying or religious symbols.

It just irritates me that people are so intolerant
they cannot give people 15 seconds to say a prayer or
the courteous of being able to express themselves.
Asking for one minute is not an unreasonable request
of the minority to give to the majority. People can be
so disrespectful sometimes.

Donovan J Arnold

--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wrote:

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Donovan,

Others have already pointed out the Supreme Court
decisions interpreting the Constitution.  That works
for me.  I have lived in a country with a state
religion, and I've always appreciated the difference
between that approach and ours.  I disagree with your
views on state action and religion, and am grateful
the issue has been settled.

Sunil

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From:  Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To:  Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>,
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject:  RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
money
Date:  Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
>Sunil,
>
>Can you please quote me in the Constitution where it
>says you have a right to be protected from being
>around religion and prayer? Because I cannot find. I
>do see where it says the government cannot stop me
>from practicing my religion, but I cannot find where
>it says people have to hide all religious writings,
>symbols, and speak out of the earshot of anyone that
>may not wish to listen?
>
>
>If you are looking to save time at a public meeting
>there are areas that you can cut out that will save
>more time than the prayer. But again, where does it
>say that public meetings should run in the most
>efficient manner as to not waste time or upset
Sunil's
>schedule?
>
>"It does not follow that you are being forced to
>practice atheism if you don't pray at a public
>meeting."
>
>Maybe not, but it does follow that if you are
>preventing us from praying you are preventing us from
>practicing our religion is says we are suppose to
>pray. Nor is allowing for prayer forcing a religion
or
>establishing a religion.
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>Donovan,
>
>I want you to be able to say all the prayers you
want,
>whenever and wherever you want, as long as you want,
>as long as I don't have to hear them.  I want you to
>practice your religion, but not at the expense of my
>time if it's at a public meeting.  If we're at your
>church, I'm more than willing to listen to you pray
>out loud, because I have the simple choice of not
>going there at all.
>
>It does not follow that you are being forced to
>practice atheism if you don't pray at a public
>meeting.  You're not going to be dragged to a gulag,
>or barred from private prayer or from attending your
>church.  You're simply not going to be able to use up
>other people's time at a public meeting for something
>you can do silently at that meeting.
>
>Politicians want to pray at public meetings so they
>can act pious for the cameras and the public.  You
>think W's praying is working out well for us?
>
>sunil
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>From:  Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To:  Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>,
>joanopyr at earthlink.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject:  RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
>money
>Date:  Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT)
> >The Government representing a FAITH or Religion is
> >against the Constitution Mr. Hansen. Allowing a
>moment
> >to pray does not.
> >
> >Further, it would be unfair that 95% of the people
>get
> >only the same amount of time as the other 5%. The
> >government represents people, not Gods, so it
should
> >be the people, not Gods that get equal time.
> >
> >Finally, by not allowing prayer you force people to
> >follow atheism, by allowing prayer you do not force
> >atheists to say the prayer. Therefore, it is
> >discriminatory NOT to allow prayer because you are
> >preventing them from practicing their faith and
> >forcing them to practice another.
> >
> >What you are saying is that because my moment of
> >worship does not suit everybody, I cannot practice
>it.
> >This is the state stopping me from my free exercise
>of
> >religion.
> >
> >Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Tom Hansen <ththansenomoscowom> wrote:
> >
> > > As I have stated twice before, Arnold -
> > >
> > > I would be more than willing to support prayer
at
> > > all city council sessions,
> > > provided that each (and EVERY) faith represented
> > > within Moscow is provided
> > > "equal time".
> > >
> > > Lacking this possibility, the session further
>lacks
> > > equality.  And I am
> > > certain that you wouldn't want that, now would
>you?
> > >
> > > Enough said.
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > "If not us, who?
> > > If not now, when?"
> > >
> > > - Unknown
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Donovan Arnold
> > > [mamailtoodonovanjarnold05 at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:57 PM
> > > To: Tom Hansen; jojoanopyraearthlinket;
> > > vision2020 at momoscowom
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on
public
> > > money
> > >
> > > Mr. Hansen,
> > >
> > > You are only offering circular arguments. A
>speaker
> > > can also ignore a prayer completely at a meeting
> > > too.
> > > You silly man. So why not let those that believe
>in
> > > praying before conducting important business
pray
> > > and
> > > those that wish not to think about something
else.
> > > Why
> > > should those that wish to pray be denied. If you
> > > allow
> > > prayer, everyone gets what they want. If you
> > > disallow
> > > prayer only those that wish not to pray get what
> > > they
> > > want.
> > >
> > > Donovan J Arnold
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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