[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

[keely emerinemix]

Hmmmmm.

keely


From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, thansen at moscow.com,  
joanopyr at earthlink.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:33:18 -0700 (PDT)

Keely,

Your wrote:
"But the esteemed councilmember should not parade his
devotion like the Pied Piper of Piety, unless he's
trying to please someone other than God . . . . .
Wait!  Could that be it??"

You are the only elected public official I know that
constantly brags about their praying and relationship
with Christ on a public forum. Wait!  Could that be
it?? It's worth considering . . .

Donovan J Arnold

--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

 > No one is saying that Joe Bob Councilmember can't
 > pray.  Joe Bob should
 > pray, and I hope he does -- in the shower, in his
 > bedroom, in the car, in
 > the stairwell, and in the Spirit and truth that God
 > desires.  But the
 > esteemed councilmember should not parade his
 > devotion like the Pied Piper of
 > Piety, unless he's trying to please someone other
 > than God . . .
 >
 > . . . Wait!  Could that be it??
 >
 > It's worth considering . . .
 > Keel
 > keely
 >
 >
 > From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
 > To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>,
 > joanopyr at earthlink.net,
 > vision2020 at moscow.com
 > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
 > money
 > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 > Mr. Hansen,
 >
 > You are only offering circular arguments. A speaker
 > can also ignore a prayer completely at a meeting
 > too.
 > You silly man. So why not let those that believe in
 > praying before conducting important business pray
 > and
 > those that wish not to think about something else.
 > Why
 > should those that wish to pray be denied. If you
 > allow
 > prayer, everyone gets what they want. If you
 > disallow
 > prayer only those that wish not to pray get what
 > they
 > want.
 >
 > Donovan J Arnold
 >
 > --- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
 >
 >  > Arnold -
 >  >
 >  > Unlike prayer, the Pledge of Allegiance affords
 > the
 >  > "speaker" the
 >  > opportunity to say or not say the words "under
 > God".
 >  >
 >  > Tom Hansen
 >  > Moscow, Idaho
 >  >
 >  > "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any
 >  > more than going to a
 >  > garage makes you a mechanic."
 >  >
 >  > -----Original Message-----
 >  >
 >  > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
 >  > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
 >  > On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
 >  > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:25 PM
 >  > To: Tom Hansen; joanopyr at earthlink.net;
 >  > vision2020 at moscow.com
 >  > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
 >  > money
 >  >
 >  > Mr. Hansen,
 >  >
 >  > Sorry, but praying does not establish a religion
 >  > anymore than saying the Pledge of Allegiance to
 > the
 >  > flag establishes a religion. Both our money and
 > our
 >  > pledge define us as a monotheistic nation with
 > the
 >  > use
 >  > of "God" instead of "Gods". Should we stop saying
 >  > the
 >  > Pledge of Allegiance before meetings too Mr.
 > Hansen?
 >  >
 >  > Donovan J Arnold
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > --- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
 >  >
 >  > > No, no, no, Arnold -
 >  > >
 >  > > "Establishment", according to the Supreme Court
 > of
 >  > > the United States
 >  > > (SCOTUS), concerns the recognition of any one
 >  > faith
 >  > > above all others.  I
 >  > > draw your attention to Thomas Jefferson's "Wall
 > of
 >  > > Separation" which has
 >  > > been cited in several SCOTUS opinions
 > (pronounced
 >  > > "decisions") and discussed
 >  > > here in V2020 extensively.
 >  > >
 >  > > By praying, the city council does just that.
 >  > >
 >  > > Comprende?
 >  > >
 >  > > Tom Hansen
 >  > > Moscow, Idaho
 >  > >
 >  > > "I think one of the best ways to support
 > education
 >  > > is to make successful private schools like
 > Logos
 >  > prosper through tax
 >  > > exemption."
 >  > >
 >  > > - Donovan Arnold (July 11, 2005)
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
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