[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

[Donovan Arnold]

Sunil,

Can you please quote me in the Constitution where it
says you have a right to be protected from being
around religion and prayer? Because I cannot find. I
do see where it says the government cannot stop me
from practicing my religion, but I cannot find where
it says people have to hide all religious writings,
symbols, and speak out of the earshot of anyone that
may not wish to listen?


If you are looking to save time at a public meeting
there are areas that you can cut out that will save
more time than the prayer. But again, where does it
say that public meetings should run in the most
efficient manner as to not waste time or upset Sunil's
schedule?

"It does not follow that you are being forced to
practice atheism if you don't pray at a public
meeting."

Maybe not, but it does follow that if you are
preventing us from praying you are preventing us from
practicing our religion is says we are suppose to
pray. Nor is allowing for prayer forcing a religion or
establishing a religion. 

Donovan J Arnold



--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wrote:


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Donovan,

I want you to be able to say all the prayers you want,
whenever and wherever you want, as long as you want,
as long as I don't have to hear them.  I want you to
practice your religion, but not at the expense of my
time if it's at a public meeting.  If we're at your
church, I'm more than willing to listen to you pray
out loud, because I have the simple choice of not
going there at all.

It does not follow that you are being forced to
practice atheism if you don't pray at a public
meeting.  You're not going to be dragged to a gulag,
or barred from private prayer or from attending your
church.  You're simply not going to be able to use up
other people's time at a public meeting for something
you can do silently at that meeting.

Politicians want to pray at public meetings so they
can act pious for the cameras and the public.  You
think W's praying is working out well for us?

sunil



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From:  Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To:  Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>,
joanopyr at earthlink.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject:  RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
money
Date:  Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT)
>The Government representing a FAITH or Religion is
>against the Constitution Mr. Hansen. Allowing a
moment
>to pray does not.
>
>Further, it would be unfair that 95% of the people
get
>only the same amount of time as the other 5%. The
>government represents people, not Gods, so it should
>be the people, not Gods that get equal time.
>
>Finally, by not allowing prayer you force people to
>follow atheism, by allowing prayer you do not force
>atheists to say the prayer. Therefore, it is
>discriminatory NOT to allow prayer because you are
>preventing them from practicing their faith and
>forcing them to practice another.
>
>What you are saying is that because my moment of
>worship does not suit everybody, I cannot practice
it.
>This is the state stopping me from my free exercise
of
>religion.
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>--- Tom Hansen <ththansenomoscowom> wrote:
>
> > As I have stated twice before, Arnold -
> >
> > I would be more than willing to support prayer at
> > all city council sessions,
> > provided that each (and EVERY) faith represented
> > within Moscow is provided
> > "equal time".
> >
> > Lacking this possibility, the session further
lacks
> > equality.  And I am
> > certain that you wouldn't want that, now would
you?
> >
> > Enough said.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "If not us, who?
> > If not now, when?"
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Donovan Arnold
> > [mamailtoodonovanjarnold05 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:57 PM
> > To: Tom Hansen; jojoanopyraearthlinket;
> > vision2020 at momoscowom
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
> > money
> >
> > Mr. Hansen,
> >
> > You are only offering circular arguments. A
speaker
> > can also ignore a prayer completely at a meeting
> > too.
> > You silly man. So why not let those that believe
in
> > praying before conducting important business pray
> > and
> > those that wish not to think about something else.
> > Why
> > should those that wish to pray be denied. If you
> > allow
> > prayer, everyone gets what they want. If you
> > disallow
> > prayer only those that wish not to pray get what
> > they
> > want.
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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