[Vision2020] RE: Looking Under Rocks

[Carl Westberg]

The only thing I wish to comment on is the cover of Credenda Agenda that 
Saundra provided in the link.  Without comment on the text, my only concern 
is what appears to be (and I grant, probably quite mild) abuse of an animal. 
  This is not a "liberal" "intolerista" observation.  If this were a 
left-wing web magazine with the same cover, I would question the 
appropriateness.  But I'm speaking as someone with a huge soft spot for 
animals, and an intolerance indeed for their mistreatment.  Again, I'm quite 
sure that this is someone's beloved cat, and no true harm was done 
whatsoever, but I still found it....wrong.                                   
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                             
        Carl Westberg Jr.

>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "'Joan Opyr'" <joanopyr at earthlink.net>,        
>"'Tom Hansen'" <thansen at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] RE: Looking Under Rocks
>Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:51:49 -0700
>
>Joan Opyr wrote:
>"Dale Courtney's blog is crawling with rattlesnakes and vipers. . . But 
>I've
>got an idea; let's not go there."
>
>Personally, I think that's an idea with merit.
>
>My opinion is that while the comments posted on Courtney's blog about Tom
>Hansen & his lovely wife (yes, I know them both) were truly despicable, 
>they
>really were no worse than the typical fare on that odious piece of work.
>I'd provide links to clearly illustrate what I'm talking about -- including
>a particular offensive comment posted about the Wil Hendricks murder
>featuring the word 'sodomite' -- but Courtney has disabled comments for the
>time being.  That makes all those -- and there were a *great* many -- vile
>comments invisible, at least for now.
>
>But, it's not just the anonymous -- or not -- posters who comment on
>Courtney's blog that are repellant but Courtney himself.  His complete lack
>of respect for ideas outside his church's own peculiar flavor of
>Christianity fosters an atmosphere which encourages vitriolic comments from
>those who support his views.  Courtney has set the tone.
>
>In addition to his unceasing insults to many local, national, and
>international individuals who have *earned* my respect and admiration, I 
>was
>absolutely horrified when I read over the weekend that he's seemingly
>advocating for the DEATH PENALTY for children as young as 11 years old:
>http://right-mind.us/archive/2005/08/13/35862.aspx
>Sheesh -- what a *great* (NOT!) community we'd have if we lived in a World
>According to Dale Courtney, Doug Wilson, and Christ Church's hierarchy.
>
>Perhaps just as troublesome is the fact that while Courtney supposedly 
>ended
>his participation on V2020 because it wasn't good for his soul or some 
>other
>absolutely phony drivel is that he feels perfectly free to take what's
>discussed here and drag it over to his hate-mongering blog.  Given the tone
>of Courtney's blog before and since he ended his participation on V2020,
>it's clear it wasn't his participation *here* that's the trouble with his
>soul.
>
>To me, this refusal to participate in back-and-forth discussions is
>symptomatic of the Christ Church hierarchy mentality:  they don't really
>want to *participate* in our community, they want to control it.  They
>insist on having things their own way, and when then can't dominate,
>intimidate, and threaten those who disagree with them into acquiescence or
>silence, they withdraw from community dialogue and resort to dishonesty,
>name-calling, threats of lawsuits, and a multitude of other wicked tactics.
>We've seen it time . . . and time . . . and time again.
>
>It's time to quit burying our collective heads in the sand to avoid looking
>at reality.  Actions speak louder than words, although I think the body of
>their words -- and not just those cute little sound bites they like to trot
>out -- speak volumes as well.  Look at reality, folks, and don't be taken 
>in
>by the thin veneer they are trying to sell us.
>
>And, if you're looking for their own words on which to form your judgment,
>you need look no further than:
>http://www.credenda.org/
>
>
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>Edmund Burke
>
>
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