[Vision2020] Does Jerry Schutz have a little secret?

[lfalen]

Bill 
I concur. Part of the price one must pay for an open and free exchange is some warts. If it is moderated, not only does First Step assume some liability and extra expense  but it runs the risk of being partisan. I would urge every on to be more civil however.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Bill London" london at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:20:03 -0700
To: "Linda Pall" lpall at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Does Jerry Schutz have a little secret?

> L-
> Your question (is it time to kill Vision 2020 or at least completely
> reorganize it?) is one most of us asked and discussed following this latest
> sleazy posting.
> 
> And here's my response:  while I am disgusted and disappointed in some of
> what I read on Vision 2020, I do not want to change its essential
> non-moderated, free and open character.
> 
> These same issues have been raised and discussed periodically over the last
> decade as various sleazy posters have come close to derailing this list.
> And every time, the V2020 subscribers have clearly agreed: warts and all,
> they like this open forum.  We have already seen that kind of support from
> the subscribers following this latest crisis.
> 
> I liken this to a self-bailing rowboat.  The boat takes on water, but is
> able to right itself and dump the water back out.  Until the next big wave.
> 
> My biggest concern (and an issue raised often by subscribers in discussions
> of V2020's organizational form) is the who moderates the list question.
> Right now, with a non-moderated list, our beloved First Step (which hosts
> this list and provides hours of maintenance for free) accepts no
> responsibility for the content.  For an analogy, think that they provide the
> soapbox in Hyde Park.  However, if the list is moderated, First Step has
> legal responsibility...which could be expensive.  And furthermore, who would
> provide the time and expertise to moderate the list?
> 
> No subscribers indicated that they wanted to pay for V2020.  I think it
> should remain a free and open service.
> BL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Linda Pall" <lpall at moscow.com>
> To: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Does Jerry Schutz have a little secret?
> 
> 
> > Dear Bill and the 600 Subscribers of Vision2020:
> >
> > That tore it. The anonymous, libelous posting that prompted your response,
> > Bill, and mine here is so far beyond what might even possibly be
> acceptable
> > that it has finally and profoundly drug down what was once an interesting,
> > quirky, informative and even sometimes insightful exchange of views.
> >
> > I believe it is time to have a moderated list OR to find some other means
> to
> > support the list, i.e., subscriptions or some similar mechanism. The "free
> > to be a libelous spewer" status of anonymous postings should be ended.
> >
> > While there are some who may cheer at the demise of Vision2020, I cannot.
> I
> > can only express real sadness about the state of our civic discourse.
> >
> > Bill, I believe you hold the keys on this, since this was really the
> progeny
> > of the Vision 2020 effort years ago. If anyone 'owns' the list, you do.
> Ask
> > First Step to take it down because it needs to be reformed. In its present
> > condition, it has lost its way.
> >
> > Thank you for your efforts to encourage Moscow's conversation; I wish it
> > could be civil again.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Linda Pall
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
> > To: <wil_hendrick at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Does Jerry Schutz have a little secret?
> >
> >
> > > to the anonymous poster hiding behind the Wil Hendrick hotmail account:
> > >
> > > Coward that you are, you could not have considered the impact of your
> > > writing....not just on the people you have identified, as well as their
> > > friends and families...but also on this public communication system,
> > Vision
> > > 2020.
> > >
> > > Mean, petty, disgusting "outings" of home addresses, old gossip, home
> > phone
> > > numbers, and other very personal information has the power to destroy
> > V2020.
> > >
> > > Let's move back to discussing issues and ideas.
> > >
> > > BL
> > >
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