[Vision2020] Posted for Keely Mix

Tue Apr 26 14:54:03 PDT 2005

> Why don't we leave it at this?  People who think I'm evil personified should 
> go ahead and vote no.

YOU ARE NOT AN EVIL PERSON KEELY. YOU JUST WON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS.

> People who don't, should examine the plan and vote on its merits.  I bet 
> most will vote "yes" solely on the merits of the plan and not because 
> they're relieved I'm not evil personified.

HOW CAN THEY "EXAMINE" THE PLAN WHEN THEY GET INNACURATE INFORATION OR NO INFORMATION?

> People who accuse me of being on the take and promise to make sure my career 
> goes down in flames are free to continue, and people who are appalled by 
> their behavior should know that I'm not at all concerned.
> 
DON'T CARE. PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
> 
> 
> From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> To: DonaldH675 at aol.com
> CC: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Posted for Keely Mix
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:13:00 -0700
> 
> In response:
> 
> 
>  > 2.  There is no Plan B.   Over the course of two years, innumerable 
> meetings
>  > (every one of them  public), from 39 different scenarios to eight plans 
> to
>  > three tracks to one  bond issue, this is the plan that makes sense.  
> There
>  > isn't a default  position, not because we on the FPC are stubborn, but
>  > because the  interdependence of each project requires that they be taken 
> as a
>  > whole.  This is that whole; it can't be chopped up.
> 
> VOTERS REMEMBER THIS. IT IS ALL OR NOTHING. IF THIS LEVY DOES NOT PASS, IT 
> WILL COME BACK. CHOPPED UP.
> 
> 
>  > 6.  Despite reassurance from the architect, site engineers  and city that 
> a
>  > school built on the Trail property won't flood, opponents  continue to
>  > suggest otherwise.  I'm not sure what a degree in  veterinary medicine
>  > consists of, but I prefer to get my floodplain  information from those 
> whose
>  > professional degrees require intensive training  in site development
> 
> KEELY, HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE? STOP TRYING TO SELL US THIS. THE 
> ARCHITECT TOLD ALL OF US THE SCHOOL WILL BE BUILT UP 4 FEET ABOVE THE FLOOD 
> PLAIN. I EMPHASIZE THE WORD FLOOD PLAIN, KEELY. OUT OF HIS VERY OWN MOUTH. 
> REMEMBER? HE ALSO TOLD ALL OF US, "THE WETLANDS COULD BE MADE INTO A VERY 
> NICE APPEALING AREA." MY COUNTY MAP OF THE PROPOSED TRAIL SITE SHOWS A FLOOD 
> PLAIN. MORE THAN 1/3 OF THE TOTAL 40 ACRES ARE INDEED IN A FLOOD PLAIN. WHAT 
> MAP ARE YOU LOOKING AT? NO ONE SAID, "THE HIGH SCHOOL BUILDING WILL FLOOD." 
> AGAIN, REFER TO THE ARCHITECTS WORDS OF, "IT WILL BE BUILT ABOVE THE FLOOD 
> PLAIN. FOUR FEET." THIS IS AT A GREAT DEAL OF COST, KEELY. OUR QUESTION IS 
> IF THE HIGH SCHOOL IS BUILT ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN, WHERE IS THE WATER GOING 
> TO DRAIN TO? FOOTBALL FIELD? PARKING LOT? SORRY FOLKS NEVER GOT THOSE 
> ANSWERS. BUT WE TRIED. GOS KNOWS WE TRIED.
> 
> 
>  > 8.  The $29 million plan had significant trimming before it  was 
> presented.
>  > The architects are reducing their fees, the number of  parking spaces has
>  > been cut down, the athletic facilities and auditoriums  that many would
>  > expect in a new HS have been postponed, the HVAC and  engineering systems
>  > have been estimated based on solid, reliable, but not  extravagant 
> equipment,
>  > and the site can be purchased at a buy-10-get-40  price -- that's 10 
> acres AT
>  > MARKET VALUE with the cost rebated back to the  district for the 
> necessary
>  > fencing.  By any measure, this is a lean,  efficient bond, a bargain that
>  > scores of districts throughout the state wish  they had the opportunity 
> to
>  > consider.
> 
> SHOW US THE ESTIMATES BASED ON "SOLID, RELIABLE, BUT NOT EXTRAVAGENT...", SO 
> WE CAN COMPARE. GOD KNOWS MANY PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE IN THIS FIELD HAVE 
> OFFERED TO REVIEW THIS PLAN. GIVE IT TO THEM. DID I HEAR THAT YOU GET TO 
> CHOSE THE APPRAISER? THE APPRAISER IS COMING FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? 
> HMMMMM. I REMEMBER YOU TELLING ALL OF US THE APPRAISER WILL BE A THIRD 
> PARTY, UNINTERESTED AND NOT BIASED APPRAISER. ALL OF US KNOW THE DISTRICT 
> APPRAISER IS NOT A THIRD PARTY. HEEELLLL0000000. TALK ABOUT MIS INFORMATION, 
> KEELY.
> 
> 
> REMEMBER ONE OF THE CONTINGENCIES TO GET THE 30 ACRES YOU GOTTA BUY 10 AND 
> THERE IS TO BE A SECURITY FENCE? REMEMBER DAVE TRAILS WORDS,  "CHEAP CHAIN 
> LINK WOULD BE OK." I TOLD DAVE TRAIL AS WELL AS V2020, THAT CHEAP CHAIN LINK 
> IS NOT CHEAP. IT WOULD COST WELL OVER 150,000.00 INCLUDING GATES TO FENCE  
> THE ACREAGE. TO SWEETEN THE POT TRAIL ALL OF A SUDDEN SAYS THAT HE WILL 
> REBATE THE COST OF THE FENCE? I HAVE JUST SAVED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT A HUGE 
> CHUNK OF CHANGE. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THIS LEVY PASSED AND THE TRAILS SAID, 
> "WHERE IS MY SECURITY FENCE?" WHERE ON EARTH WOULD WE GET THIS MONEY? 
> ANOTHER LEVY? BUT WE KNOW THAT IS COMING ANYWAY. I AM SURE GLAD I BROUGHT 
> THE CHEAP CHAIN LINK FENCE TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. CAUSE IT IS NOT CHEAP. 
> REMEMBER FOLKS, THE SECURITY FENCE IS NO WHERE ON ANY BID JUST IN THE TRAILS 
> LETTER TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT "GIFT."  NOW YOU ALL SEE WHY DOCUMENTATION IS 
> SO IMPORTANT. VERBAL COMMUNICATION IN REGARDS TO 29 MILLION DOLLARS DOES NOT 
> MAKE IT IN MY BOO!
>   K. THAT
> IS IF IT IS VERBAL AND NOT IN HIDDEN MATERIAL. LIKE ON THE BROKEN LINKS ON 
> THE DISTRICTS WEBSITE.
> 
> 
>  > 10.  Finally, the manner in which the opposition has argued has  been, 
> for
>  > the most part, despicable.  I need not elaborate further, and  I defy 
> anyone
>  > to suggest that the moral high ground in this debate has been  claimed by 
> the
>  > anti-bond forces.  Good people can disagree on this --  I've been clear 
> on
>  > that -- but character is revealed by how they do  so.  I'm proud of my
>  > involvement in this forum, this campaign, this  process, and this debate. 
>   If
>  > an argument is articulated PRIMARILY  through name-calling, invective, 
> lies,
>  > hysteria, disinformation, willful  ignorance and Hitlerian comparisons 
> and
>  > accusations of anti-religious  bigotry, then perhaps there is a paucity 
> of
>  > legitimate argument to be  had.  To those of you voting against the bond 
> and
>  > doing so respectfully  and in an informed manner, publicly or privately, 
> you
>  > have my sincere  respect, and I'm sorry you've been co-opted by those 
> less
>  > able to behave in  a civically responsible manner.
> 
> KEELY, I AM BLUE IN THE FACE AND EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED IN GETTING THE DOG AND 
> PONY SHOW FROM YOU. YOU DO NOT ANSWER STRAIGHT FORWARD QUESTIONS DIRECTED TO 
> YOU. WHY? I HAVE NEVER EVER OFFERED ANY DIS INFORMATION ON THIS LIST. I AM 
> NOT A LIAR. IF I AM, PROVE IT! I HAVE RESEARCHED EVERYTHING BEFORE IT GOES 
> ON THIS LIST. UNLIKE YOU. OR AT LEAST TRIED TO RESEARCH. IT IS HARD TO TALK 
> TO A BRICK WALL.
> 
> WILLFULL IGNORANCE? YES YOU ARE.  YOU ARE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE.
> 
> WHO SAID HITLER?  SPEAK OF CHARACTER, KEELY.
> 
> ANTI-RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY? WHERE? WHEN? NOT OUT OF MY MOUTH. KEELY YOU CANNOT 
> DEFAME ME WITH YOUR ACCUSATIONS. THESE ARE YOUR WORDS, YOUR THOUGHTS.
> 
> EVERYONE, I MEAN EVERYONE, DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE VOTING. OR, TRY TO. VOTE 
> NO IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FACTS. I VOTED NO.
> 
> PHIL RODERICK
> 
> 
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