[Spam] RE: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT
SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
cjs
cjs at turbonet.com
Sat Apr 23 19:37:46 PDT 2005
Ms. Ford. WHAT EXACTLY DID I CC TO V2020 THAT HAS YOU SO UPSET? Could you talk to me off list if it doesn't pertain to the subject please?
Phil
-----Original message-----
From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:22:00 -0700
To: cjs at turbonet.com
Subject: [Spam] RE: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> Then why is this cc'd to V2020? What is your purpose of doing that?
>
>
> >From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >CC: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> >Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:20:12 -0700
> >
> >PLEASE MS. FORD. I AM NOT ATTACKING OR THREATENING YOU. I am being
> >neighborly nice in letting you know that if you wish to remain annonymus
> >please be more careful in your posts. I do not know anything about you and
> >Mr. Arnold. Please take it up with him. OMG do not blame me for your living
> >in fear. I have no idea where that came from.
> >
> >I have never ever posted what you have told me or I told you or whatever
> >OFF LIST. That is why there is an OFF LIST! Now if you want to discuss
> >these personal, private matters OFF LIST. I am listening. Please stay with
> >the questions, K?
> >
> >Where on earth did you come up with the idea that I thought it was you that
> >was vandalizing my property? This is to weird. Again, Ms. Ford. Talk to me
> >OFF LIST. This is weird stuff.
> >
> >Phil
> >
> >
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:35:38 -0700
> >To: cjs at turbonet.com
> >Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> >
> > > You know what? I am sick to no end of receiving threats from you and
> >Mr.
> > > Donovan! I am a citizen, I pay my taxes, I am raising my family, I HAVE
> >THE
> > > RIGHT TO MY SAY without being hasseled or continually threatened. If
> >you
> > > disagree with that I have to say - FINE! but don't continue to make it
> >seem
> > > like I am some kinda criminal or that I have to live in fear because you
> > > can't play by the rules. I have NEVER attacked you or Mr. Donovan and I
> > > requesting (nicely) that you two refrain for doing so to me. Got it!
> > >
> > > You ask me to post off line, I do and then you post what I say on line.
> >I
> > > have tried to be nice. But honestly, you two really wear me thin.
> > >
> > > BTW, until Monday of this week, I never knew where your business was - I
> > > resent being threatened that you or Mr. Donovan will turn me in as the
> > > person vandalizing you, calling you (sorry, don't know/want to know your
> > > phone) and I am sorry that is happening to you. Just allow me some
> >peace
> > > and allow me the right to speak my mind without having to live in fear
> >of
> > > anything bad happening, ok?
> > >
> > > Thank you, PHIL.
> > >
> > > >From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> > > >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> > > >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:21:54 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Thank you Ms. Ford,
> > > >
> > > >I think everybody knows who Dr. Donicht is. Just responding to Keely's
> > > >statement, "......track with near-unanimous support of the committee as
> > > >well as Supt. Donicht's recommendation." Yup - not a voting right but a
> > > >recomendation.
> > > >
> > > >Let's try and stick to the question asked, K?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for enlightening me/us as to where we need to go to get our kids
> >the
> > > >books and supplies they need. Never thought it was CQE, FPC, etc.
> >Thought
> > > >it could be the gov. Who have you been voicing this to? Maybe we all
> >could
> > > >do the same as you? Where can we start? Congressman? Mayor? Senator?
> > > >Governor? Marilyn Howard? How is MSD "working hard to get these kids
> >their
> > > >books?" Maybe, the public could help?
> > > >
> > > >I see you state that no classroom is going without. Remember the email
> >from
> > > >the science teacher who had to work off a cart and quit because he/she
> >did
> > > >not have the right stuff to teach his/her class? What about the teacher
> > > >that did not have enough books for his.her students to take home to
> >study
> > > >for a test? Remember that email? Or maybe I read it in the newspaper.
> > > >
> > > >Personally, yes I would rather donate my money (tax or not) for school
> > > >books instead of a new high school.
> > > >
> > > >You are wrong regarding the security fence. In the original letter sent
> >to
> > > >the school board (dec. 2004) it was clearly stated that a security
> >fence
> > > >would be in place in order to obtain the gifted land. Go back and read
> > > >that letter from the Trail Foundation and tell me if I am reading
> >wrong. Or
> > > >you are. Don't know where you got the idea of a guard? So - can you
> >tell us
> > > >here why you think this security fence is not an issue? Yes a prison
> > > >looking fence would be ugly. No - not an inflamitory response. Just the
> > > >facts Mam`.
> > > >
> > > >We all want to move forward. But not getting the correct information is
> > > >holding us back from moving forward.
> > > >
> > > >Be careful JFORD as you are dropping hints as I have told you numerous
> > > >times OFF LIST as to the identity of yourself.
> > > >
> > > >Out of courtesy could you please address me as Phil or Mr. Roderick in
> >the
> > > >future, please?
> > > >
> > > >Phil Roderick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original message-----
> > > >From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > > >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:40:29 -0700
> > > >To: cjs at turbonet.com
> > > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> > > >
> > > > > Mr. Phil;
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure if you realize that Dr. Donicht is not a member of the
> >School
> > > >Board
> > > > > - she is an employee of the MSD. Therefore, by law, policy, etc.
> >she
> > > >has NO
> > > > > voting rights or concerns when subjects or issues go before the
> >board
> > > >for a
> > > > > vote.
> > > > >
> > > > > The MSD are working hard to get books, but as stated numerous times
> >in
> > > > > public and private e-mails and meetings, the LEGISLATURE is not an
> > > > > educationally-friendly bunch of folks. That is NOT the fault of the
> > > >MSD,
> > > > > the School Board, the CQE, the Facilities Committee, etc. You need
> >to
> > > >talk
> > > > > to our elected officials about what to do about funding for our
> >public
> > > > > schools. I know I have.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd also like to state that NO class is doing without necessary
> > > >materials
> > > > > for the kids to be educated. The teachers do have, and hand out,
> >work
> > > > > sheets and reading materials for the kids to use in class and for
> >doing
> > > > > their homework and study work. There is also the option that EVERY
> > > >citizen
> > > > > has of donating monies dedicated to the buying of specific books -
> >if
> > > >anyone
> > > > > cares to do that, please feel free to contact the MSD and they will
> >work
> > > > > with you.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to state that no where is it stated, wished for, wanted
> >or
> > > > > planned to have "security fence with gate and guard" on the new high
> > > >school.
> > > > > If anyone takes the time to look at any of the schools in our
> >town,
> > > >they
> > > > > ALL have some kind of fencing around them. Why should the new high
> > > >school
> > > > > be any different? I have been by the Trail property this week -
> >there
> > > >is
> > > > > already a fence on one side of the land, which I understand was put
> >up
> > > >by
> > > > > the city (?) and will remain there. I don't believe the fence
> >should be
> > > >an
> > > > > issue as, again, ALL of the schools have them. This idea of a
> >"prison
> > > > > looking high school" I believe is just plain silly and inflammatory
> >in
> > > > > nature. It ain't a fact, folks.
> > > > >
> > > > > From what I understand of the process, IF the bond were not to pass,
> > > >there
> > > > > is always the possibility of the MSD/Facility Committee, etc. to go
> >to
> > > >work
> > > > > and again try to get public input and suggestions before it is
> >placed up
> > > >for
> > > > > another vote. This happened many, many times in Potlatch and Troy -
> >we
> > > >all
> > > > > know how the Troy school district ended up going and Potlatch came
> >very
> > > > > close to going the same route before it's citizenery finally passed
> >a
> > > >bond
> > > > > for improvement. I don't get why people are so hesitant to invest
> >in
> > > >their
> > > > > children but quick to put the blame on the school districts when
> >things
> > > >like
> > > > > buildings needing retiring/remodeling happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > The old saying "You loose tomorrow spending today looking at
> >yesterday"
> > > > > comes to mind here. Let's try to look to the future and not dwell
> >on
> > > >the
> > > > > past - can't change it anyway, why not move forward?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> > > > > >To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > > > > >CC: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> > > > > >Subject: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:00:43 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks Keely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I will try to get the correct language as best I can. Maybe we can
> >ask
> > > >and
> > > > > >answer questions according to subjects as question 1, question 2,
> >etc.
> > > >Then
> > > > > >the people that do not want to listen about certain questions can
> > > >delete? I
> > > > > >am asking questions from other people who wish to remain un-named.
> >Some
> > > > > >wish to be named but are not subscribers to this list. Just want
> >some
> > > > > >answers. Anybody wishing to chime in please do so. WITHOUT RIDICULE
> >OR
> > > > > >NASTY REMARKS. Anyone wishing to email me OFF LIST is welcome to do
> >so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thank you Keely. A lot of people are listening today and I hope you
> > > >have
> > > > > >the time or can refer me to the appropriate party to get a question
> > > > > >answered if you are unable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >So, regarding question 1: Project spending:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yes, the correct term is "project." So the bond money will be used
> >in
> > > >the
> > > > > >following PROJECT MANNER? The 5 people on the school board
> >including
> > > >Dr.
> > > > > >Donicht are the ones that voted unanimously how to use this bond
> >money
> > > >in
> > > > > >the following manner? It never was asked to the public how to spend
> >the
> > > >29
> > > > > >million dollars we are to vote on?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >PROJECT:
> > > > > >1) Elemenatary school 1 remodel
> > > > > >2) Elementary school 2 remodel
> > > > > >3) High School remodel
> > > > > >4) New Construction for High School
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Now, if the bond does not pass how do we, the tax payers ask for a
> >bond
> > > >to
> > > > > >remodel both elementary schols and the current high school? Like
> >what
> > > >the
> > > > > >Matrix report suggested?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >previously asked.........
> > > > > > >How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately
> >needed
> > > >for
> > > > > > > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes?
> >How
> > > >will
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be
> > > >paid?
> > > > > >From
> > > > > > > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or
> >will it
> > > > > >need to
> > > > > > > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Keely - I remember reading somewhere that a science class did not
> >have
> > > > > >enough books for the students to take home and study for a test
> >they
> > > >were
> > > > > >going to have. This is of course a problem. How do we get the kids
> >all
> > > >the
> > > > > >books they need? I don't want this to transfer to the new HS. I
> >want it
> > > > > >handled now. Is it the teacher that gets a "budget" and there is
> >not
> > > >enough
> > > > > >money in his/her budget to buy each student a book? If they are not
> > > >getting
> > > > > >a proper budget to cover this, is it because of the "school budget
> > > >cuts"
> > > > > >that come to us from our elected officials like senator, etc.?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Included in this bond is the future expense cost of maintainng the
> > > > > >projects? Is there a document available to the public that shows us
> >the
> > > > > >actual breakdown of each project and how the district arrived at
> >the 29
> > > > > >mil?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >SECURITY FENCE:
> > > > > > >The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence. This appears
> >to
> > > >have
> > > > > >been lost in the debate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This indeed will be a wonderful donation as it could be quite
> > > >expensive. Do
> > > > > >we know the value of this fence they are donating? Do I understand
> >that
> > > >in
> > > > > >the Trails original offer where they stated a security fence is
> > > >required,
> > > > > >they meant a security fence will have to be on the donated land
> >period?
> > > > > >That they will pay for it but in order for them to gift the land to
> >us
> > > >they
> > > > > >want the school enclosed in a security fence like manner? Do you or
> > > >anybody
> > > > > >listening know exactly what they are buying and putting around the
> >new
> > > >HS?
> > > > > >I would sure like to know, if my kids were of HS age. I think I
> >read
> > > > > >somewhere that they would accept a chain link fence. So if they are
> > > >buying
> > > > > >it what will it look like? As a neighbor to the proposed site I
> >would
> > > >like
> > > > > >to know what I am going to be looking at. What if they build a big
> >old
> > > >and
> > > > > >ugly brick wall all around the premsie?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Oh - will the school district own the gifted and purchased land
> >from
> > > >the
> > > > > >Trails free and clear?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Many people admire you in trying to get the public educated. We all
> > > > > >understand you are only one person. We all ask where in the heck is
> > > >your
> > > > > >support? Dr. Donicht? Other trustees? FPC? CQE? ANYBODY? Keely -
> >where
> > > >are
> > > > > >the people that are paid to do this job? Where are the people that
> >can
> > > >help
> > > > > >you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Phil Roderick
> > > > > >-----Original message-----
> > > > > >From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:42:57 -0700
> > > > > >To: cjs at turbonet.com
> > > > > >Subject: [Spam] RE: answering Phil's questions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm responding to the entire forum since others may want answers
> >to
> > > >your
> > > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. I don't know what you mean by "four tracks." Please read on
> >. .
> > > >.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Tracks" has had a specific usage in our two-year planning, and
> >so I
> > > >may
> > > > > >be
> > > > > > > reading your question too literally. There were three tracks
> >that
> > > >the
> > > > > > > committee came up with. One (no new construction) was not
> > > >recommended
> > > > > >by
> > > > > > > the FPC, but the other two were; the plan we're considering now
> >was
> > > >the
> > > > > > > track with near-unanimous support of the committee as well as
> >Supt.
> > > > > > > Donicht's recommendation. The board voted on it Feb. 24 and it
> > > >passed
> > > > > >5-0.
> > > > > > > The bond amount is sufficient for the four projects (new HS,
> > > >remodeled
> > > > > >WP
> > > > > > > and Russell, remodel of current HS to accommodate alt school,
> >etc.,
> > > >--
> > > > > >maybe
> > > > > > > that's what you mean), insofar as it covers what can legally be
> > > >covered
> > > > > >by a
> > > > > > > bond.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence. This
> > > >appears to
> > > > > > > have been lost in the debate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. Please remember that the change is not in the number of
> > > >teachers,
> > > > > > > required textbooks, etc., but is a change in facilities and
> > > > > >configuration.
> > > > > > > It's still a K-12 district with the same number of teachers,
> >and,
> > > >again,
> > > > > > > we're simply planning to move our kids and staff to buildings
> >better
> > > > > >able to
> > > > > > > handle the long-term demands of education. So the teachers
> >teaching
> > > > > >from
> > > > > > > textbooks are already budgeted -- they'll simply move to better,
> > > > > > > bond-funded, facilities. This is not to say that the district
> >will
> > > > > >always
> > > > > > > have exactly the same number of staff, kids, etc. -- that
> >changes
> > > >from
> > > > > >year
> > > > > > > to year and is part of our budget planning project. But funds
> > > >cannot
> > > > > >and do
> > > > > > > not "cross over."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > keely
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> > > > > > > To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:24:51 -0700
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you so kindly Keely.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So this bond is all that is required for the completion of the
> >four
> > > > > >tracks?
> > > > > > > Like construction only?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately
> > > >needed
> > > > > >for
> > > > > > > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes?
> >How
> > > >will
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be
> > > >paid?
> > > > > >From
> > > > > > > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or
> >will it
> > > > > >need to
> > > > > > > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax?
> >Wait -
> > > > > >maybe
> > > > > > > the correct term here is levy? I am a bit confused on the bond
> >vs.
> > > >levy
> > > > > > > thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another question you might be able to answer since we are on the
> > > >subject
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > "construction." I understand the Trails have specified that a
> > > >"security
> > > > > > > fence" be installed or agreed upon, before they "gift" a portion
> >of
> > > > > >their
> > > > > > > land. Will this cost of this security fence be included in this
> > > >"bond"
> > > > > >as
> > > > > > > "construction costs" or is it already figured into "summer
> >monies"
> > > >which
> > > > > >I
> > > > > > > do not understand and do we have an estimated cost of what the
> > > >Trails
> > > > > >are
> > > > > > > asking for in regards of the security fence if we decide to put
> >the
> > > >HS
> > > > > >on
> > > > > > > their land? Everything that I read or hear seems to be pointing
> >in
> > > >the
> > > > > > > direction of the new HS going on the Trail land as nothing else
> > > >seems to
> > > > > >be
> > > > > > > better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phil Roderick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > > > > From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:56:50 -0700
> > > > > > > To: cjs at turbonet.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A supplemental levy is a funding mechanism "levied" against
> > > >property
> > > > > > > owners.
> > > > > > > > It may not include new construction or significant remodel,
> > > >i.e.,
> > > > > > > capital
> > > > > > > > improvements. Moscow has a permanent supplemental levy at
> >its
> > > > > >current
> > > > > > > rate
> > > > > > > > due to the passage of several consecutive annual supplemental
> > > >levies,
> > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > provision granted by the State.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A bond is a "levy" only in the sense that tax increases are
> > > >"levied"
> > > > > > > against
> > > > > > > > owners of properties in the district. I would prefer that
> >this
> > > >issue
> > > > > >be
> > > > > > > > referred to as a "bond" or bond election, but understand that
> > > >bond
> > > > > >levy
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > what people call it. Either way, a bond cannot, by law, fund
> > > > > >textbooks,
> > > > > > > > salaries, operations, routine maintenance, etc.; it can only
> >fund
> > > > > >capital
> > > > > > > > improvements.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > keely
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> > > > > > > > To: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:20:28 -0700
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what a "supplemental bond/levy is? PLEASE!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Phil Roderick
> > > > > > > >
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