[Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
cjs
cjs at turbonet.com
Sat Apr 23 17:21:54 PDT 2005
Thank you Ms. Ford,
I think everybody knows who Dr. Donicht is. Just responding to Keely's statement, "......track with near-unanimous support of the committee as well as Supt. Donicht's recommendation." Yup - not a voting right but a recomendation.
Let's try and stick to the question asked, K?
Thanks for enlightening me/us as to where we need to go to get our kids the books and supplies they need. Never thought it was CQE, FPC, etc. Thought it could be the gov. Who have you been voicing this to? Maybe we all could do the same as you? Where can we start? Congressman? Mayor? Senator? Governor? Marilyn Howard? How is MSD "working hard to get these kids their books?" Maybe, the public could help?
I see you state that no classroom is going without. Remember the email from the science teacher who had to work off a cart and quit because he/she did not have the right stuff to teach his/her class? What about the teacher that did not have enough books for his.her students to take home to study for a test? Remember that email? Or maybe I read it in the newspaper.
Personally, yes I would rather donate my money (tax or not) for school books instead of a new high school.
You are wrong regarding the security fence. In the original letter sent to the school board (dec. 2004) it was clearly stated that a security fence would be in place in order to obtain the gifted land. Go back and read that letter from the Trail Foundation and tell me if I am reading wrong. Or you are. Don't know where you got the idea of a guard? So - can you tell us here why you think this security fence is not an issue? Yes a prison looking fence would be ugly. No - not an inflamitory response. Just the facts Mam`.
We all want to move forward. But not getting the correct information is holding us back from moving forward.
Be careful JFORD as you are dropping hints as I have told you numerous times OFF LIST as to the identity of yourself.
Out of courtesy could you please address me as Phil or Mr. Roderick in the future, please?
Phil Roderick
-----Original message-----
From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:40:29 -0700
To: cjs at turbonet.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> Mr. Phil;
>
> Not sure if you realize that Dr. Donicht is not a member of the School Board
> - she is an employee of the MSD. Therefore, by law, policy, etc. she has NO
> voting rights or concerns when subjects or issues go before the board for a
> vote.
>
> The MSD are working hard to get books, but as stated numerous times in
> public and private e-mails and meetings, the LEGISLATURE is not an
> educationally-friendly bunch of folks. That is NOT the fault of the MSD,
> the School Board, the CQE, the Facilities Committee, etc. You need to talk
> to our elected officials about what to do about funding for our public
> schools. I know I have.
>
> I'd also like to state that NO class is doing without necessary materials
> for the kids to be educated. The teachers do have, and hand out, work
> sheets and reading materials for the kids to use in class and for doing
> their homework and study work. There is also the option that EVERY citizen
> has of donating monies dedicated to the buying of specific books - if anyone
> cares to do that, please feel free to contact the MSD and they will work
> with you.
>
> I would like to state that no where is it stated, wished for, wanted or
> planned to have "security fence with gate and guard" on the new high school.
> If anyone takes the time to look at any of the schools in our town, they
> ALL have some kind of fencing around them. Why should the new high school
> be any different? I have been by the Trail property this week - there is
> already a fence on one side of the land, which I understand was put up by
> the city (?) and will remain there. I don't believe the fence should be an
> issue as, again, ALL of the schools have them. This idea of a "prison
> looking high school" I believe is just plain silly and inflammatory in
> nature. It ain't a fact, folks.
>
> From what I understand of the process, IF the bond were not to pass, there
> is always the possibility of the MSD/Facility Committee, etc. to go to work
> and again try to get public input and suggestions before it is placed up for
> another vote. This happened many, many times in Potlatch and Troy - we all
> know how the Troy school district ended up going and Potlatch came very
> close to going the same route before it's citizenery finally passed a bond
> for improvement. I don't get why people are so hesitant to invest in their
> children but quick to put the blame on the school districts when things like
> buildings needing retiring/remodeling happen.
>
> The old saying "You loose tomorrow spending today looking at yesterday"
> comes to mind here. Let's try to look to the future and not dwell on the
> past - can't change it anyway, why not move forward?
>
>
>
>
> >From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> >To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >CC: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:00:43 -0700
> >
> >Thanks Keely,
> >
> >I will try to get the correct language as best I can. Maybe we can ask and
> >answer questions according to subjects as question 1, question 2, etc. Then
> >the people that do not want to listen about certain questions can delete? I
> >am asking questions from other people who wish to remain un-named. Some
> >wish to be named but are not subscribers to this list. Just want some
> >answers. Anybody wishing to chime in please do so. WITHOUT RIDICULE OR
> >NASTY REMARKS. Anyone wishing to email me OFF LIST is welcome to do so.
> >
> >Thank you Keely. A lot of people are listening today and I hope you have
> >the time or can refer me to the appropriate party to get a question
> >answered if you are unable.
> >
> >So, regarding question 1: Project spending:
> >
> >Yes, the correct term is "project." So the bond money will be used in the
> >following PROJECT MANNER? The 5 people on the school board including Dr.
> >Donicht are the ones that voted unanimously how to use this bond money in
> >the following manner? It never was asked to the public how to spend the 29
> >million dollars we are to vote on?
> >
> >PROJECT:
> >1) Elemenatary school 1 remodel
> >2) Elementary school 2 remodel
> >3) High School remodel
> >4) New Construction for High School
> >
> >Now, if the bond does not pass how do we, the tax payers ask for a bond to
> >remodel both elementary schols and the current high school? Like what the
> >Matrix report suggested?
> >
> >previously asked.........
> > >How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately needed for
> > > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes? How will
> >the
> > > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be paid?
> >From
> > > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or will it
> >need to
> > > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax?
> >
> >Keely - I remember reading somewhere that a science class did not have
> >enough books for the students to take home and study for a test they were
> >going to have. This is of course a problem. How do we get the kids all the
> >books they need? I don't want this to transfer to the new HS. I want it
> >handled now. Is it the teacher that gets a "budget" and there is not enough
> >money in his/her budget to buy each student a book? If they are not getting
> >a proper budget to cover this, is it because of the "school budget cuts"
> >that come to us from our elected officials like senator, etc.?
> >
> >Included in this bond is the future expense cost of maintainng the
> >projects? Is there a document available to the public that shows us the
> >actual breakdown of each project and how the district arrived at the 29
> >mil?
> >
> >
> >SECURITY FENCE:
> > >The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence. This appears to have
> >been lost in the debate.
> >
> >This indeed will be a wonderful donation as it could be quite expensive. Do
> >we know the value of this fence they are donating? Do I understand that in
> >the Trails original offer where they stated a security fence is required,
> >they meant a security fence will have to be on the donated land period?
> >That they will pay for it but in order for them to gift the land to us they
> >want the school enclosed in a security fence like manner? Do you or anybody
> >listening know exactly what they are buying and putting around the new HS?
> >I would sure like to know, if my kids were of HS age. I think I read
> >somewhere that they would accept a chain link fence. So if they are buying
> >it what will it look like? As a neighbor to the proposed site I would like
> >to know what I am going to be looking at. What if they build a big old and
> >ugly brick wall all around the premsie?
> >
> >Oh - will the school district own the gifted and purchased land from the
> >Trails free and clear?
> >
> >Many people admire you in trying to get the public educated. We all
> >understand you are only one person. We all ask where in the heck is your
> >support? Dr. Donicht? Other trustees? FPC? CQE? ANYBODY? Keely - where are
> >the people that are paid to do this job? Where are the people that can help
> >you?
> >
> >Phil Roderick
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:42:57 -0700
> >To: cjs at turbonet.com
> >Subject: [Spam] RE: answering Phil's questions
> >
> > > I'm responding to the entire forum since others may want answers to your
> > > questions.
> > >
> > > 1. I don't know what you mean by "four tracks." Please read on . . .
> > >
> > > "Tracks" has had a specific usage in our two-year planning, and so I may
> >be
> > > reading your question too literally. There were three tracks that the
> > > committee came up with. One (no new construction) was not recommended
> >by
> > > the FPC, but the other two were; the plan we're considering now was the
> > > track with near-unanimous support of the committee as well as Supt.
> > > Donicht's recommendation. The board voted on it Feb. 24 and it passed
> >5-0.
> > > The bond amount is sufficient for the four projects (new HS, remodeled
> >WP
> > > and Russell, remodel of current HS to accommodate alt school, etc., --
> >maybe
> > > that's what you mean), insofar as it covers what can legally be covered
> >by a
> > > bond.
> > >
> > > 2. The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence. This appears to
> > > have been lost in the debate.
> > >
> > > 3. Please remember that the change is not in the number of teachers,
> > > required textbooks, etc., but is a change in facilities and
> >configuration.
> > > It's still a K-12 district with the same number of teachers, and, again,
> > > we're simply planning to move our kids and staff to buildings better
> >able to
> > > handle the long-term demands of education. So the teachers teaching
> >from
> > > textbooks are already budgeted -- they'll simply move to better,
> > > bond-funded, facilities. This is not to say that the district will
> >always
> > > have exactly the same number of staff, kids, etc. -- that changes from
> >year
> > > to year and is part of our budget planning project. But funds cannot
> >and do
> > > not "cross over."
> > >
> > > keely
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> > > To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:24:51 -0700
> > >
> > > Thank you so kindly Keely.
> > >
> > > So this bond is all that is required for the completion of the four
> >tracks?
> > > Like construction only?
> > >
> > > How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately needed
> >for
> > > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes? How will
> >the
> > > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be paid?
> >From
> > > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or will it
> >need to
> > > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax? Wait -
> >maybe
> > > the correct term here is levy? I am a bit confused on the bond vs. levy
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Another question you might be able to answer since we are on the subject
> >of
> > > "construction." I understand the Trails have specified that a "security
> > > fence" be installed or agreed upon, before they "gift" a portion of
> >their
> > > land. Will this cost of this security fence be included in this "bond"
> >as
> > > "construction costs" or is it already figured into "summer monies" which
> >I
> > > do not understand and do we have an estimated cost of what the Trails
> >are
> > > asking for in regards of the security fence if we decide to put the HS
> >on
> > > their land? Everything that I read or hear seems to be pointing in the
> > > direction of the new HS going on the Trail land as nothing else seems to
> >be
> > > better.
> > >
> > > Phil Roderick
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:56:50 -0700
> > > To: cjs at turbonet.com
> > > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> > >
> > > > A supplemental levy is a funding mechanism "levied" against property
> > > owners.
> > > > It may not include new construction or significant remodel, i.e.,
> > > capital
> > > > improvements. Moscow has a permanent supplemental levy at its
> >current
> > > rate
> > > > due to the passage of several consecutive annual supplemental levies,
> >a
> > > > provision granted by the State.
> > > >
> > > > A bond is a "levy" only in the sense that tax increases are "levied"
> > > against
> > > > owners of properties in the district. I would prefer that this issue
> >be
> > > > referred to as a "bond" or bond election, but understand that bond
> >levy
> > > is
> > > > what people call it. Either way, a bond cannot, by law, fund
> >textbooks,
> > > > salaries, operations, routine maintenance, etc.; it can only fund
> >capital
> > > > improvements.
> > > >
> > > > keely
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> > > > To: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> > > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:20:28 -0700
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me what a "supplemental bond/levy is? PLEASE!
> > > >
> > > > Phil Roderick
> > > >
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