[Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
cjs
cjs at turbonet.com
Fri Apr 15 22:48:55 PDT 2005
Pat - been there, done that.
So when is the next meeting of anything relating to this levy PRIOR TO APRIL 26?
Phil
-----Original message-----
From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:36:54 -0700
To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> I do not think either one of them will be there! They just want to make our
> lives here on this board miserable with questions that they could get
> answered at a meeting or by going into an office and asking the person in
> charge of such things. But, they both enjoy delving into conspiracy
> questions that require more paranoia than logic.
> PK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> To: <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
>
>
> Thank you, Ms. Keely.
>
> Will we see you at the next meeting, Mr.s Phil and Arnold? It is on April
> 25 at 7pm.
>
>
>
> >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >To: donovanarnold at hotmail.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:45:20 -0700
> >
> >
> >The MSD website's facilities section has 22 links to information. The
> >district has put out information (not campaign material) about the process
> >and the bond over the course of the FPC's work. My facilities file is five
> >inches thick; not one document is secret. The website's facilities section
> >has been continually updated. The FPC has produced a number of articles
> >and handouts about the process and the bond. I wrote a few of them. You
> >may have just received the MSD newsletter, School Connections, with several
> >pages of facilities/bond info. Many folks, myself included, have attended
> >MSD and/or FPC public forums, open houses, and worksessions about the bond
> >and the process leading up to it. All were well advertised. CQE recently
> >produced a flyer about the bond, including a "did they consider?" section
> >for the FAQ connoisseurs among us. I and Dr. Donicht and many others have
> >given numerous radio and newspaper interviews. And, as you all know, I've
> >spent a bit of time lately on Vision 2020, trying to answer questions.
> >
> >The inclination of some to not avail themselves of information regarding
> >the bond does not equal a disinclination on the part of the district to
> >operate with integrity. On the contrary, if we're trying to stonewall,
> >then I'd say we're doing a damned poor job of it.
> >
> >keely
> >
> >But we're not. It's been there, it is there, and
> >
> >
> >
> >From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:27:57 -0700
> >
> >Humm, perhaps that is because the MSD did not create a website that had
> >FAQ. If you did that, you would not be asked 500 questions.
> >
> >When your plan is unclear, documents are not available, and you ask for a
> >lot of money, "You should been there" does not tow the line for a "yes"
> >vote. And even if it is passed, we still want to know the answers, it is
> >our money.
> >
> >When the Graduate Students at UI have a big proposal we create a website
> >with questions and background about the issue. Let people look at
> >everything and ask questions. We also do not say question are stupid.
> >Because when we do that, it makes other people fearful to ask questions.
> >Then we never get the questions we should be asked. Rule number one is if
> >one person asks a question, ten others are thinking the same thing.
> >
> >If your are getting 500 questions and they are the same 500 questions, that
> >ought to say something about the planning and dispersion of information,
> >not the people asking the questions.
> >
> >Take Care,
> >
> >Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> >>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:59:02 -0700
> >>
> >>Ya know, maybe since questions are being asked and answers ARE being given
> >>but not listened to perhaps this needs to end. The questions below have
> >>been repeatedly answered - I believe the problem is they are not the
> >>answers being sought. It's kinda like a conspiracy theory that keeps
> >>coming up regarding such things as Kennedy, or aliens amongst us, etc. No
> >>matter how many times the facts are presented, if the person is not
> >>willing to see what is there as being there, it isn't. Make sence?
> >>Neither does this mess.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Shelly" <CJs at Turbonet.com>
> >>>To: <auntiestablishment at hotmail.com>
> >>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> >>>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:45:06 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Dear Visionaries:
> >>>
> >>>.......great investigative reporting by Phil "Gumshoe" Roderick and Jack
> >>>Doc Holliday" Wenders about those notorious Palouse gangsters, Keely
> >>>"Baby
> >>>Face" Mix and the Trail family mafia.
> >>>
> >>>No need for name calling Joan. We are all bigger than that.
> >>>
> >>>"There is NO $29mil remodel of the high school. The $29mil is for the
> >>>ENTIRE
> >>>remodel/buidling project which includes two elementary schools and the
> >>>high
> >>>school and the new high school If you want a break-down of that, then
> >>>you
> >>>need say so. BTW, that has been supplied to the newspapers, in
> >>>newsletters,
> >>>
> >>>is available at the District Office and was very available on Saturday in
> >>>the form of the individual handouts that the architect had for everyone's
> >>>convenience. Did you not get a copy of those? I am sure if you went to
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>District Office and asked NICELY they would direct you to the material.
> >>>I
> >>>believe they are/will be available at the individual schools also."
> >>>
> >>>It is broken down on the new high school how about the old high school
> >>>remodel. " That is what we keep asking for. Over and over and over.
> >>>Without
> >>>getting answers it does look like a cartel and acts like one. Maybe you
> >>>could ask and see if they tell you anything different? Ask exactly what I
> >>>asked them for.
> >>>
> >>>1) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COST BREAKDOWN FROM THE ARCHITECT OF THE 20,500
> >>>000.00 "REMODEL" OF THE EXISTING HIGH SCHOOL."
> >>>
> >>>2) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE "DIRECTIVE" FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD TO THE
> >>>ARCHITECT "DIRECTING" HOW THE BID IS TO BE DONE."
> >>>
> >>>..................Once the bond is approved, is there any particular
> >>>reason
> >>>we can't begin a fresh argument over where to locate it? NO so if you go
> >>>into the grocery store and none of the prices are posted and you pick up
> >>>everything you need and throw it in your shopping cart and ya get to the
> >>>cash register and ya find out ya only have enough money for half of what
> >>>ya
> >>>got.
> >>>
> >>>Yes, this is sad that the elementary schools will lose out on the levy
> >>>because of wanting a new high school. Maybe they should just ask for a
> >>>levy
> >>>on the elementary schools and not the high school? I bet the vote might
> >>>be
> >>>different. I understand the way the levy is written they can move the
> >>>money
> >>>anywhere they seem fit. So - we are not guaranteed any money is going to
> >>>the
> >>>elementary schools, period.
> >>>
> >>>Also -- and this is a big also -- here's the complete 411 on this levy:
> >>>West
> >>>Park and Russell are crumbling. They're inadequate. It is my
> >>>understanding
> >>>that they are not in compliance with the ADA. What's more, it would be
> >>>cheaper by far to scrap them both and build a new elementary school at
> >>>the
> >>>Joseph Street site So why don't we?
> >>>
> >>>Next levy.
> >>>
> >>>Well, I'd say it's because the Moscow School Board is sensitive to the
> >>>emotional and aesthetic attachment many of us feel for West Park and/or
> >>>Russell. (With regard to Russell in particular, its aesthetic appeal,
> >>>history and location seem to be of paramount concern to many. And I'm
> >>>glad
> >>>for this. I think Russell is a beautiful school, and it would pain me to
> >>>lose it.)
> >>>
> >>>Pains me to lose the aesthetically pleasing high school.
> >>>
> >>>.............disingenuous, disinformation websites like
> >>>www.moscowlevy.com
> >>>and www.moscoweducation.org.
> >>>
> >>>I see nothing but honesty and integrity from both of these websites. No
> >>>dog
> >>>and pony show. Just the facts.
> >>>
> >>>You know there might be plenty of money already in the school coffer. How
> >>>come the school board is not prudently using our tax money to help these
> >>>poor elementary schools?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Just asking for the facts. Nothing more. Is the truth insulting?
> >>>Sorry......
> >>>.....the tide continues to rise as long as people ignore questions the
> >>>public want answered..
> >>>
> >>>This outcome would certainly please Dale Courtney and Jack Wenders (both
> >>>of
> >>>whom were extensively, if ironically, educated on the public dime), but
> >>>how
> >>>many of the rest of us would be dancing in the streets? Precious few, I
> >>>suspect; precious few.
> >>>
> >>>I think there are plenty more people that would like this levy not to
> >>>pass.
> >>>We will all shortly know.
> >>>
> >>>How about you ask the question(s) and see where you get?
> >>>
> >>>1) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COST BREAKDOWN FROM THE ARCHITECT OF THE 20,500
> >>>000.00 "REMODEL" OF THE EXISTING HIGH SCHOOL."
> >>>
> >>>2) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE "DIRECTIVE" FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD TO THE
> >>>ARCHITECT "DIRECTING" HOW THE BID IS TO BE DONE."
> >>>
> >>>Phil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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