[Vision2020] Question for debate-"Why
notopentheUS-MexicanBoarder?"
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Wed Sep 29 18:44:26 PDT 2004
Although I do not advocate shooting illegal immigrants, it is their
corporate employers that mandates legislative precedence to this endless
dilemma.
In San Diego, California it is not uncommon to read (almost daily) about a
supermarket being raided by INS and apprehending many illegal immigrants.
There are people, of extremely questionable morals, that deal in the
importation of illegal immigrants. Virtually all of these illegal
immigrants end up working for wages far below the poverty level. And worse,
many of them end up on the streets doing what is necessary for them to get
by day-to-day.
This is NOT the immigrants’ fault or problem. The INS is understaffed,
under-equipped, and under-financed for the tasks of which they are
responsible. As long as there is money to be made in the importation and
exploitation of illegal immigrants, it will continue to be a problem.
At the same time we must protect our borders, especially now that President
Bush The Appointed maintains a “Bring ‘em on” attitude toward terrorists.
The more the security on our borders, the more tempting it is to import
illegal aliens. The less the security on our borders, the more tempting it
is for those who wish to harm us.
I support security at our borders. But, the INS must be provided the means
necessary to permanently shut down those actively involved in the
importation/exploitation of illegal immigrants. We should strongly support
our embassies in establishing a system that provides opportunities for
foreign nationals to cross our borders as citizens with respect and
integrity, not as a cash crop for those who only wish to exploit them.
We must work toward this together, regardless of our party affiliations.
Until then,
Take care of yourselves and each other.
Tom “filing for my Canadian visa” Hansen
Not On The Palouse, Not Ever
We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are
dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they all
exist very nicely in the same box.
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of keely emerinemix
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:01 PM
To: Dan Carscallen; 'Donovan Arnold'; Vision2020 at moscow.com; Dick Schmidt
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question for debate-"Why
notopentheUS-MexicanBoarder?"
I worked in ministry to Mexican immigrants for more than a decade before
moving here in 2002, and I can tell you that farmers, dairy owners,
apartment managers, landscape and construction companies and myriad other
folks are very rarely the ones calling for an end to the flow of
undocumented workers coming in from Mexico. For reasons that are quite
often less than noble, those who need workers and those who have rentals to
fill rely on hardworking, economy-enriching immigrants to keep their own
businesses running. Undoubtedly, some undocumented workers receive services
for which they are not legally eligible; the moral imperative, however, to
care for the weakest and poorest among us is hardly over-exhibited in this
country, and some would argue that indifference to the needs of "the least
of these" is a greater moral, economic and political threat to the United
States and its people than the expenditure involved in providing necessary
services to those not legally entitled to them. The indisputable fact is
that undocumented workers work, pay taxes, receive less per capita in
proportion to what they pay into the system, contribute to rural and urban
economies, enrich neighborhoods, and frankly make it easier for those of us
in the privileged class -- the socio-political majority -- to live easier
lives. Can good people disagree on immigration policy? Of course. But good
people are those who consider not only the effect of unjust policy on the
poor, but take into humble account the unearned breaks they themselves have
received because of those injustices.
Men, women and children work long hours doing backbreaking work in horribly
unjust and unsafe conditions to make your life more comfortable. That
they're eager to do so is one of the tragic signs of a fallen world; that
otherwise reasonable human beings could advocate shooting whatever comes
over the border is another, and is perhaps one of the starkest examples that
I've come across recently of why the world, myself certainly included, needs
a Savior.
keely emerine mix
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Schmidt <mailto:dickschmidt at moscow.com>
To: Dan Carscallen <mailto:predator75 at moscow.com> ; 'Donovan Arnold'
<mailto:donovanarnold at hotmail.com> ; Vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question for debate-"Why not
opentheUS-MexicanBoarder?"
Dan,
I am very disappointed in what our country has become. We have politicians
who only do what they are paid by the "money people and corporations" to do.
The article I posted a couple days ago about the inheritance tax is an
example in where the rich get richer because they can buy the influence it
takes to prevent them from paying what they should pay in taxes. Bush's tax
cut for the rich is another example of giving back money to the rich so they
can contribute to incumbent's campaigns and re-elect them. Our system has
been so corrupted by greed. Most of the rest of the world no longer
respects us. I used to fly the flag every day but don't anymore because I
don't want anyone to think I am supporting a corrupt president. This isn't
the same country I served in the Navy for 45 years ago. I can't say whether
our country has become more liberal but we sure have become "politically
correct stupid".
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75 at moscow.com>
To: "'Dick Schmidt'" <dickschmidt at moscow.com>; "'Donovan Arnold'"
<donovanarnold at hotmail.com>; <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question for debate-"Why not open
theUS-MexicanBoarder?"
> Dick,
>
> Don't you know that if you are a liberal you are supposed to be in favor
> of letting every illegal immigrant have free health care and food
> stamps?
>
> How insensitive can you get?
>
> DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Dick Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:43 AM
> To: Donovan Arnold; Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question for debate-"Why not open
> theUS-MexicanBoarder?"
>
>
> Donovan,
>
> I can't believe you are even asking such a question. And you graduated
> UI? Illegal immigrants are draining the resources of our country in
> hospitals, jails, prisons and social services. We can't afford them. I
> would be more in favor of shooting everything that came across the
> border illegally both on our north and south borders.
>
> Dick Schmidt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
> To: <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:24 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Question for debate-"Why not open the
> US-MexicanBoarder?"
>
>
> > I fail to understand why it is that everyone seems to want to keep the
>
> > boarder closed between the US and Mexico.
> >
> > Who cares if Mexicans comes into the country? If they are not granted
>
> > citizenship, it is not like they are a threat to real US jobs.
> >
> > If seems to me that the major problems caused by immigration are
> > caused
> not
> > by the crossing of the boarder, but by the illegalization of crossing
> > the boarder.
> >
> > Please explain to me why it such a big deal if Mexicans come and go as
> they
> > please into this country and buy our stuff?
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
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