[Vision2020] Saudi Arabia: Free and Fair Elections?
Melynda Huskey
mghuskey at msn.com
Tue Sep 28 10:37:23 PDT 2004
You're so right, Pat. I've never been to Iraq. And you, of course, had a
senior posting to the Embassy in Bagdad in 1987, during your illustrious
career with the Diplomatic Corps. How could I forget?
For heaven's sake, we're both basing our opinions on what we read or view.
Our interpretations have to be evaluated by the integrity of their sources
and the persuasiveness of their narrative.
I'm happy to share the sources for my information: the Guardian, the New
York Times, the Washington Post, the American Friends Service Committee,
Human Rights Watch, the Telegraph, the CBC, the Economist, and National
Public Radio.
What are your sources?
Melynda Huskey
>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saudi Arabia: Free and Fair Elections?
>Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:09:07 -0700
>
>So, when was your last trip to Iraq? You only know this because of the
>material you read or see on TV or Michael Moron. There is more info out
>there that isn't so one sided.
>PK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Melynda Huskey
> To: Vision 2020
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saudi Arabia: Free and Fair Elections?
>
>
> Dear Pat,
>
> Of course school supplies are nice, and so are schools. But without
>electricity, running water, sewer systems, food, medicine, and safe
>streets, all the school supplies television actors can collect will be
>useless. Most of the funds designated for re-building
>infrastructure--including schools--in Iraq are not being spent, as the
>hopeless task of trying to contain violence with more violence sucks up
>more of our time and energy.
>
> As the occupying force, it's our responsibility to provide for basic
>human needs. Instead, we continue to make matters worse. Children cannot
>safely leave their houses, or get reliably clean water to drink. As their
>nation spirals into chaos, the Iraqis are expressing their rage and
>frustration against us, the occupying imperial power which cynically claims
>to have "liberated" them. They have turned on each other and on us, and
>violence is consuming us. A few pencils and some notebooks funnelled
>through U.S. soldiers is not going to purchase the devotion of Iraqis who
>have lost children, spouses, neighbors, and livelihoods to the unrestrained
>violence of this irresponsible war. We are building a terrorist machine in
>Iraq.
>
> Good could indeed come out of this horrible situation--God is
>immeasurably powerful, and turns our grimmest sins to good. But let's not
>forgive ourselves before we've repented. This war is a wicked, wicked
>waste of human life, a horrible catastrophe in every possible way.
>
> Melynda Huskey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pat Kraut
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:01 PM
> To: vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saudi Arabia: Free and Fair Elections?
>
> I am disappointed by your pessimism which is so much like all you hear
>from the US Press. But, for me its like this: Paul Cisneros of the new show
>CSI: New York has been on all the talk shows talking about his project to
>send school supplies to the kids through the soldiers and this means that
>the children are learning a new way of life. Most importantly they are
>learning to read so that they don't have to believe what their leaders tell
>them they can read it for themselves. The soldiers are helping these kids
>go to school and stay there. If you don't read beyond the major press you
>don't know this and everything in Iraq is bad to you...but there is good
>happening. It won't happen easy or soon...but it can happen.
> PK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tbertruss at aol.com
> To: predator75 at moscow.com ; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com ;
>vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saudi Arabia: Free and Fair Elections?
>
>
>
> DC:
>
> We have military bases there, but we are not "occupying" Germany,
>Japan or Cuba with troops and tanks in their streets. In South Korea, we
>have a more active military presence, actually guarding a border, but this
>is with the relatively stable South Korean government's permission.
>
> I am pointing out that we could be militarily "occupying" Iraq for
>decades to prevent all hell from breaking loose (as if with us there now
>all hell is not breaking loose!). I doubt that if we leave the security of
>Iraq to Iraqis that we will see a democratic system emerge. If we really
>withdraw and leave the country to whatever the Iraqis come up with, we will
>see a brutal civil war or another brutal dictatorship.
>
> Ted Moffett
>
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