[Vision2020] 17,000 average!

Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
Tue Nov 9 09:39:03 PST 2004 

That's the way the census works and why town 
seems unnaturally quiet during breaks. Also why 
it's hard to maintain certain types of businesses 
in town. Many of the students are just about 
permanent residents as the numbers really are 
about 8,000 undergrads with the balance grad 
students and part timers.

m.

>Are you sure Moscow's population includes UI students? Does that mean
>we only have 12,000 full-time residents? That doesn't seem accurate.
>
>Debbie
>
>On 9 Nov 2004 at 7:31, Mark Solomon wrote:
>
>>  Moscow's population numbers INCLUDE the university population.
>>
>>    Mark
>>    >   At 1:13 AM -0800 11/9/04, Mike Weatherford wrote:
>>    >Hmmph.
>>    >
>>    >  I did a (very small amount of) research, to put
>>    >that number in perspective. I thought that
>>    >17,000 seemed a little high, based on the
>>    >population and university enrollment, so I
>>    >checked around a bit. We have an enrollment of
>>    >around 11,444(based on the UI's own online
>>    >factbook,) and Moscow's population is probably
>>    >around 23,500 (which is higher than the actual
>>    >figures I found, which sit at around 21-22,000,
>>    >but are a few years old.) That puts the total
>>    >pool of potential in-town attendees at something
>>    >like 34,944. So, to meet the /average/
>>    >requirement of 17,000, we'd have to have
>>    >something like 48.6% of the total potential
>>    >attendees show up. I mean, the turnout we had,
>>    >based on my numbers is pretty close to 25.8%,
>>    >using my (potentially accurate) system.
>>    >
>>    >  Of course, I'm just a relatively uninformed
>>    >student, crunching numbers in my head and using
>>    >the calculator built in to my computer. The fact
>>    >that something is wrong here and that the team
>>    >doesn't belong in IA should be painfully obvious
>>    >to anyone who actually knows what's going on,
>>    >right? Maybe they know something I don't? Or
>>    >maybe the UI Football program is simply beating
>>    >its head against a wall, attempting to keep
>>    >competing with its "rival" university dispite
>>    >very real tactical and financial considerations
>>    >that imply that doing so is a terrible idea for
>>    >everyone involved. Yeah, maybe that's it.
>>    >
>>    >  One other thing, while I'm already complaining:
>>    >I've long been a fan of the idea that athletes
>>    >should have performance based scholarships. My
>>    >pal Griff suggested this to me, and it's a great
>>    >idea. I mean, I lose my academic scholarships if
>>    >I slip below a 3.2 gpa. I move that if a team
>>    >dips below a similar athletic performance
>>    >rating, they lose their sports scholarships. If
>>    >profound financial anxiety helps academic
>>    >performance (as it has arguably helped mine), it
>>    >should have a similar effect on athletic
>>    >performance. I also think that if the athletics
>>    >department wants to replace perfectly
>>    >serviceable equipment with shiny new, but
>>    >unnecessary, stuff, then it should raise the
>>    >money itself. Want another glass-enclosed weight
>>    >room? Have a bake sale. Wash cars. Sell your
>>    >mopeds. It'll build character. Then they'll
>>    >appreciate the new gear that much more. That's
>>    >what my dad always told me, and he was right
>>    >often enough that I trust him.
>>    >
>>    >Part of my problem could be that it's late, or
>>    >that I'm bitter. Both valid possibilities. But I
>>    >came from a poor high school that constantly
>>    >poured money (money that it didn't have) into
>>    >it's football team. I'd hoped that I would
>>    >escape that trend when I came to college.
>>    >
>>    >A good morning to you all.
>>    >-Mike
>>    >
>>    >>From: Nicholas Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
>>    >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>    >>Subject: [Vision2020] 17,000 average!
>>    >>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:20:41 -0800
>>    >>
>>    >>Greetings from Blue State Capital,
>>    >>
>>    >>All the publicity about UI going to IA
>>    >>explicitly stated that we needed to average
>>    >>17,000 per game, and the 9,000 last Saturday at
>  >   >>a homecmoing game simply shows that we do not
>  >   >>have the fan or population base to be a IA team.
>>    >>
>>    >>In response to an earlier post about the AFT
>>    >>call for a return to the Big Sky, I did indeed
>>    >>send our piece to Steve Peterson, who said that
>>    >>it did not contain any errors.  Steve is a
>>    >>former A+ student of mine and also has done
>>    >>economic analyses for the union, but I'm a
>>    >>little concerned about a social scientist now
>>    >>apparently going partisan about IA affiliation.
>>    >>
>>    >>If the UI thinks that it can make money with a
>>    >>IA football team, it is an absurd proposition.
>>    >>As we stated in our position paper, the average
>>    >>deficit in IA programs after appropriated funds
>>    >>are substracted is $237,000, and only about six
>>    >>programs actually make money.  And at the UI
>>    >>there are all sorts of hidden costs:
>>    >>maintaining the Kibbie Dome, etc.  Even if they
>>    >>raise private money for a new stadium, the UI
>>    >>will still be stuck with maintenance costs, etc.
>>    >>
>>    >>If we have to stop this madness now.
>>    >>
>>    >>Go Big Sky Vandals!
>>    >>
>>    >>Nick Gier
>>    >>
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