[Vision2020] 17,000 average!

Tue Nov 9 09:27:40 PST 2004

Are you sure Moscow's population includes UI students? Does that mean 
we only have 12,000 full-time residents? That doesn't seem accurate.

Debbie

On 9 Nov 2004 at 7:31, Mark Solomon wrote:

> Moscow's population numbers INCLUDE the university population.
> 
>   Mark
>   >   At 1:13 AM -0800 11/9/04, Mike Weatherford wrote:
>   >Hmmph.
>   >
>   >  I did a (very small amount of) research, to put 
>   >that number in perspective. I thought that 
>   >17,000 seemed a little high, based on the 
>   >population and university enrollment, so I 
>   >checked around a bit. We have an enrollment of 
>   >around 11,444(based on the UI's own online 
>   >factbook,) and Moscow's population is probably 
>   >around 23,500 (which is higher than the actual 
>   >figures I found, which sit at around 21-22,000, 
>   >but are a few years old.) That puts the total 
>   >pool of potential in-town attendees at something 
>   >like 34,944. So, to meet the /average/ 
>   >requirement of 17,000, we'd have to have 
>   >something like 48.6% of the total potential 
>   >attendees show up. I mean, the turnout we had, 
>   >based on my numbers is pretty close to 25.8%, 
>   >using my (potentially accurate) system.
>   >
>   >  Of course, I'm just a relatively uninformed 
>   >student, crunching numbers in my head and using 
>   >the calculator built in to my computer. The fact 
>   >that something is wrong here and that the team 
>   >doesn't belong in IA should be painfully obvious 
>   >to anyone who actually knows what's going on, 
>   >right? Maybe they know something I don't? Or 
>   >maybe the UI Football program is simply beating 
>   >its head against a wall, attempting to keep 
>   >competing with its "rival" university dispite 
>   >very real tactical and financial considerations 
>   >that imply that doing so is a terrible idea for 
>   >everyone involved. Yeah, maybe that's it.
>   >
>   >  One other thing, while I'm already complaining: 
>   >I've long been a fan of the idea that athletes 
>   >should have performance based scholarships. My 
>   >pal Griff suggested this to me, and it's a great 
>   >idea. I mean, I lose my academic scholarships if 
>   >I slip below a 3.2 gpa. I move that if a team 
>   >dips below a similar athletic performance 
>   >rating, they lose their sports scholarships. If 
>   >profound financial anxiety helps academic 
>   >performance (as it has arguably helped mine), it 
>   >should have a similar effect on athletic 
>   >performance. I also think that if the athletics 
>   >department wants to replace perfectly 
>   >serviceable equipment with shiny new, but 
>   >unnecessary, stuff, then it should raise the 
>   >money itself. Want another glass-enclosed weight 
>   >room? Have a bake sale. Wash cars. Sell your 
>   >mopeds. It'll build character. Then they'll 
>   >appreciate the new gear that much more. That's 
>   >what my dad always told me, and he was right 
>   >often enough that I trust him.
>   >
>   >Part of my problem could be that it's late, or 
>   >that I'm bitter. Both valid possibilities. But I 
>   >came from a poor high school that constantly 
>   >poured money (money that it didn't have) into 
>   >it's football team. I'd hoped that I would 
>   >escape that trend when I came to college.
>   >
>   >A good morning to you all.
>   >-Mike
>   >
>   >>From: Nicholas Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
>   >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>   >>Subject: [Vision2020] 17,000 average!
>   >>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:20:41 -0800
>   >>
>   >>Greetings from Blue State Capital,
>   >>
>   >>All the publicity about UI going to IA 
>   >>explicitly stated that we needed to average 
>   >>17,000 per game, and the 9,000 last Saturday at 
>   >>a homecmoing game simply shows that we do not 
>   >>have the fan or population base to be a IA team.
>   >>
>   >>In response to an earlier post about the AFT 
>   >>call for a return to the Big Sky, I did indeed 
>   >>send our piece to Steve Peterson, who said that 
>   >>it did not contain any errors.  Steve is a 
>   >>former A+ student of mine and also has done 
>   >>economic analyses for the union, but I'm a 
>   >>little concerned about a social scientist now 
>   >>apparently going partisan about IA affiliation.
>   >>
>   >>If the UI thinks that it can make money with a 
>   >>IA football team, it is an absurd proposition. 
>   >>As we stated in our position paper, the average 
>   >>deficit in IA programs after appropriated funds 
>   >>are substracted is $237,000, and only about six 
>   >>programs actually make money.  And at the UI 
>   >>there are all sorts of hidden costs: 
>   >>maintaining the Kibbie Dome, etc.  Even if they 
>   >>raise private money for a new stadium, the UI 
>   >>will still be stuck with maintenance costs, etc.
>   >>
>   >>If we have to stop this madness now.
>   >>
>   >>Go Big Sky Vandals!
>   >>
>   >>Nick Gier
>   >>
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