[Vision2020] RE: Dialog [was New and improved headlines]

[Dan Carscallen]

I never said I supported the war, Sunil.  I support President Bush for
other reasons than his handling of Iraq.  Is it a quagmire?  Yes.  Did
we win?  Yes, we won against Saddam's army.  Unfortunately, we're
fighting guerillas now, and that gets quagmire-ific.  As to Iraq's
economic planning, that's their problem once they get their new
government up and running.  As soon as they get their feet under them,
I'm all for us pulling out of there.  Although, I don't have a problem
with us having a permanent base there, just like we have in many other
foreign countries around the world.  Just as long as we are insured
uninterrupted flow of oil, they can do whatever they want with their
economy over there.

I'm not saying that people can't disagree.  You think I'm wrong in some
of my beliefs, as I think what you think is wrong in some cases.  If we
all thought the same thoughts, it'd be a pretty boring place.  The
problem is when people disagree and then resort to the name calling,
incivility, discourtesy, and general lack of respect for their views.
While I may disagree with what some people (okay, MOST people) on
vision2020 think, I do respect their views.  Hell, I don't even have
problems with extending benefits to same-sex partners.  Matter of fact,
I'd go even further on that, allowing other "domestic partnerships" have
benefits extended toward them as well.  But that's another topic.

agreeing to disagree,

DC

-----Original Message-----
From: Sunil Ramalingam [mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:24 AM
To: predator75 at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Dialog [was New and improved headlines]


Dan,
I've tried to ask you questions without calling you stupid,and you won't
answer them.  I've asked you about the way we are handling Iraq,
specifically economic planning and how long our troops will remain
there, and haven't had a reply yet.  You support the war, I oppose it,
but we're still there and we have to deal with it.  
I don't want it to be a quagmire, and I am sure you don't either.  What
I've been trying to do is have a dialog about what is happening there
and where we see it headed. Today you say that people like me need to
try to talk without telling the folks I disagree with that they are
wrong.  Fine, I'm trying to do that, and now I'd be happy if you would
respond.  
I don't think we have any hope of setting up a democratic government if
we prevent the new Iraqi government from making economic decisions, or
from asking us to leave.  I think that will prevent that government from
having legitimacy with Iraqis, and will be seen as a puppet.  If our
government took orders from a foreign state, I think you would doubt
that it is serving you. If you think my theories are wrong, I'm
interested in knowing why.

Sunil
>From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75 at moscow.com> 
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] New and improved headlines 
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:45:27 -0800 
> 
>Ted writes: 
> 
>". . . without Bush's huge campaign coffers, no victory. 
> 
>"Do I have it wrong?  Please tell me I do!" 
> 
> 
>seems the big coffers don't always pull it out, since the Dems put 
>double the money the Reps did into Ohio. 
> 
>While I'm not sure we need to do a lot of "healing", per se, I do think

>the "left" (for lack of a better term) needs to work on how they get 
>their message out.  Right now, it seems they are telling people they
are 
>wrong for thinking differently than they do, and the only way the 
>opposition will be smart is if they vote the way the left says to. 
>Rather than calling people stupid and being so (seemingly) angry about 
>everything, sit down and talk to people about the differences and try
to 
>convince them in a friendly way. 
> 
>In my not-so-political-scientific-type opinion, Kerry lost because he 
>kept saying how the other guy was bad and what he was doing wrong, 
>rather than telling what he was going to do ("I have a plan!") and 
>getting people to believe in him. 
> 
>But what do I know?  I'm just a regular guy who'd rather be out in the 
>woods than doing anything political. 
> 
>DC 
> 
> 
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