[Vision2020] Re: [Spam] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 6, Issue 22
roger hayes
rhayes at turbonet.com
Thu Nov 4 07:33:38 PST 2004
Tom:
The Blue county is Blaine. It encompasses Sun Valley, Ketchum, Haley,
Bellview. The county is a Dem. stronghold. It has been for a few
decades.
On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 07:03 AM,
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> 3. RE: USATODAY.com.gif (Donovan Arnold)
> 4. RE: USATODAY.com.gif (Tom Hansen)
> 5. YOU LOST. NOW WHAT? Seven ways to fight those post-election
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:58:19 EST
> From: Tbertruss at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New and improved headlines
> To: auntiestablishment at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
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> All:
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> Why did Bush win?
>
> I suggested fear of wolves and what this symbolism implies, based on an
> expensive and no doubt very well thought out political ad from the
> Bush team, in
> terms of it's deep unconscious impact on the minds of Americans, but
> no one bit.
> OK. But to hell with Karl Rove, Gay bashing, and 9/11. All too easy
> an
> explanation. Now for a real far out and esoteric idea. How about:
>
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> $$$$$$$
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> $
>
> Naw, couldn't be! I'm just a liberal complaining about the rich
> jealous I
> don't have the money to use those huge tax breaks to buy a new
> Caribbean condo.
>
> Joan tried her best to be a cynic comedian, but she couldn't break
> free of
> her strong moral feelings to totally throw all decency out the window.
>
> In the final analysis, Bush is about money, resources, and who gets
> both!
> And without Bush's huge campaign coffers, no victory.
>
> The American people are too busy chasing their own little piece of the
> material world to notice that if Bush was stripped of his money and
> family name and
> left to fend for himself he'd be stocking shelves at Walmart to get by.
> People have had their brains scrambled with talk of moral certitude,
> faith, God
> (can you imagine Christ killing 100,000 Iraqis in the name of
> Democracy, or the
> Lord?), terrorism and the axis of evil, and the ruination of the
> family due to
> gay marriage. All a bunch of propaganda to allow the big money
> players to run
> the show with their puppet in the White House.
>
> So what is the most powerful act possible to oppose those who dominate
> a
> political system with their financial power, that a person can
> consider in a
> system that is based on money, worships money, defines human worth in
> terms of
> money, and informs us that if we don't have money we will die in
> poverty with
> crappy health care?
>
> Be rich and fight money with money!
>
> Do I have it wrong? Please tell me I do!
>
> Ted Moffett
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> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:56:59 -0800
> From: "Shawn Clabough" <shawnc at outtrack.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] USATODAY.com.gif
> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> This use of the map is very misleading - all it does is relate
> political
> party votes to square miles and geographic location. If you were to
> distort the map to reflect number of people, then the amount of red and
> blue would be nearly even.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:14 PM
> To: vision2020
> Subject: [Vision2020] USATODAY.com.gif
>
> I know that you really belive that the nation is VERY divided because
> the
> mainstream press told you so, however, there is much more red on the
> map
> in
> both 2000 and in 04. Driving down from Spokane today I heard some dem
> official say that they needed to get their message out in the midwest
> better. We get the message we just don't like it!
> PK
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:12:20 -0800
> From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] USATODAY.com.gif
> To: shawnc at outtrack.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Shawn,
>
> If Pat wants to believe that 75% of the people are for Bush because
> all the
> states with more cows than people voted for Bush, that is her right to
> believe that. If you look at the combined land mass between the states
> of
> Utah, Idaho and Montana, that is greater than California. So naturally,
> there are more people in Utah, Idaho and Montana. Don't even try to
> argue
> with it Shawn. These people now rule and set policy in the United
> States, so
> we need to just accept their way of thinking. Remember, we are talking
> to
> the people that voted for Bush. We are talking to people that believe
> that
> it was Saddam Hussein that fully funded the Taliban, harbored nuclear
> weapons, attacked the United States and planned 9/11. Don't think,
> don't
> question, just accept it! It is the NEW Reality in which we live. Now
> go to
> Wal-Mart, buy something, and be a good happy Christian.
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>> From: "Shawn Clabough" <shawnc at outtrack.com>
>> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] USATODAY.com.gif
>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:56:59 -0800
>>
>> This use of the map is very misleading - all it does is relate
>> political
>> party votes to square miles and geographic location. If you were to
>> distort the map to reflect number of people, then the amount of red
>> and
>> blue would be nearly even.
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:14 PM
>> To: vision2020
>> Subject: [Vision2020] USATODAY.com.gif
>>
>> I know that you really belive that the nation is VERY divided because
>> the
>> mainstream press told you so, however, there is much more red on the
>> map
>> in
>> both 2000 and in 04. Driving down from Spokane today I heard some dem
>> official say that they needed to get their message out in the midwest
>> better. We get the message we just don't like it!
>> PK
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 05:56:21 -0800
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] USATODAY.com.gif
> To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>, "'vision2020'"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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>
> Hey. Wait a minute. What is that blue county (slight glimmer of
> hope) in
> the south of Idaho shown on the map that Ms. Kraut was so gracious to
> share
> with us?
>
> Does anybody know?
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty,
> some are
> dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they
> all
> exist very nicely in the same box.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:14 PM
> To: vision2020
> Subject: [Vision2020] USATODAY.com.gif
>
> I know that you really belive that the nation is VERY divided because
> the
> mainstream press told you so, however, there is much more red on the
> map in
> both 2000 and in 04. Driving down from Spokane today I heard some dem
> official say that they needed to get their message out in the midwest
> better. We get the message we just don't like it!
> PK
>
>
>
> "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look
> so long
> at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened
> for us."
> Helen Keller
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:03:16 -0800
> From: "Dick Schmidt" <dickschmidt at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] YOU LOST. NOW WHAT? Seven ways to fight those
> post-election blues
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Message-ID: <000d01c4c27f$6a756490$24b57e40 at yoursz6x6sefxo>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> YOU LOST. NOW WHAT? Seven ways to fight those post-election blues
>
> November 4, 2004
>
>
>
>
>
>
> BY JULIE HINDS
> FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
>
>
>
> It's the day after the day after and you're feeling lousy.
>
>
> Their man won. Your man lost. They're in a mood to celebrate. You want
> to go back to bed.
>
>
> What happened to those encouraging exit polls? You and the other Kerry
> supporters must feel like you're living the ultimate episode of
> "Punk'd." Or maybe it's more like "Groundhog Day," with a loop that
> keeps replaying the 2000 results.
>
>
> But it's not your problem alone. It's America's to resolve. After
> months of bitter divisiveness, everyone is feeling the throbbing
> headache of a nasty campaign hangover.
>
>
> So much anger.
>
>
> So many ugly accusations.
>
>
> So little thought given to what effect all of this will have on our
> future.
>
>
> "I see this as very much like a dysfunctional family," says Dale Ross,
> a therapist in Southfield who's been thinking a lot lately about what
> happens next. "It's going to take some time for people to heal these
> wounds and feel like we're still a family and a nation."
>
>
> How can you be gracious in defeat and get over losing what's been
> called the most important election of our lifetime?
>
>
> Maybe by following this advice from people who work to resolve
> conflicts.
>
>
> And by remembering that this is a job that's too important to ignore.
>
>
> To heal. To come together.
>
>
> It's not going to be easy. But if it happens, at least it will be a
> win-win.
>
>
> Give yourself time. Feeling as if you'll spend the next four years in
> a funk? Be patient. What you're going through now is similar to the
> mourning process, says Ross. "Just like the loss of an important
> friend, part of the loss here is the future you were anticipating with
> them." It won't be your guy delivering the State of the Union,
> pardoning the Thanksgiving turkey or lighting the White House
> Christmas tree, not to mention leading the free world. To deal with
> that, Ross advises doing the things you'd normally do if you were
> going through a rough patch: talk to compassionate friends, try to
> remain optimistic and distract yourself by focusing on things
> unrelated to politics. And keep in mind that you're not alone.
>
>
> Make civility a priority. Remember how after 9/11 everyone was nicer
> to others? How honking in traffic declined and smiles replaced snarls?
> We need another large dose of kindness and consideration to heal the
> rifts that have formed in our communities. And we need it from both
> sides. "As winners, don't gloat," says Ross. "As losers, express your
> pain, but don't blame." West Bloomfield psychologist Barry Jay takes
> it a step further. He says it's our duty to revive that 9/11 feeling
> of togetherness and "feel like America again," not two separate camps
> with little in common.
>
>
> Take a break from hot-tempered media. When "Daily Show" host Jon
> Stewart accused CNN's "Crossfire" of hackery, he was on to something.
> TV, radio and the Web are bursting with pundits eager to inflame your
> loathing for the other side. Do you really want to wallow in their
> venom? "You can't change the media, so change the media you watch,"
> says Matthew Felling of the Center for Media and Public Affairs.
> "You're not going to calm down the shriekers on cable, so give PBS a
> shot -- nearly every study out there depicts the 'News-
>
>
> Hour' as a thorough and balanced news program. So in the chaos of a
> post-election America, go where there's more light than heat."
>
>
> Work, don't sulk. Just because the vote didn't go your way doesn't
> mean it's time to give up. If this election had any lesson to teach,
> it's the importance of being involved, not just in national issues but
> also on a local and neighborhood level. Channel the passion you felt
> for the 2004 race into something productive like raising money for a
> cause you believe in or running for office yourself. "You don't want
> to go from enthusiasm to apathy," says Karen Noelle Clark, a
> Southfield psychologist. "The issues you care about don't go away
> after an election is over. It's not just about winning and losing.
> You're in this life for the long haul."
>
>
> Act like a grown-up. When the anger of the campaign boiled over, it
> led to some pretty juvenile behavior, like the stealing of Bush and
> Kerry yard signs. "A lot of that stuff is just not smart. It almost
> seems like something a young teenager would do," says Mike Vitale, 18,
> a senior at Troy High School who helps students resolve problems
> through a peer mediation program.
>
>
> Now it's time to put away childish grudges and keep things in
> perspective, says Rachel Marshall, 17, another Troy High mediator. "If
> someone was upset about the election, I think I'd try to console them
> and explore how it's not the end of the world."
>
>
> Find common ground. Talking to the opposition may be the last thing
> you want to do. But to tackle long-term issues like health care and
> the war on terrorism, America must figure out how to reach a
> consensus, says Fred Pearson, director of the Center for Peace and
> Conflict Studies at Wayne State University. "We need to be able to
> listen to each other," says Pearson. How do you heal a polarized
> society, especially when politicians exploit our differences to their
> advantage? Pearson thinks the Web potentially could unite citizens who
> seek to put aside rancor and brainstorm solutions to problems.
>
>
> See the big picture. Although it feels as if America has never been
> more divided, history begs to differ. Remember four years ago? The
> summer of 1968? The Civil War? America has been through worse. "It's
> important to remember our country has survived every time," says Jay.
> "It's time to turn from thoughts of losing to thoughts of celebrating
> that we live in a democracy." OK, so you don't want to toss any
> confetti just yet. But you can pause to feel good about having a
> Constitution that helps us cope with adversity. And about living under
> a system that allows us to do it all over again in four years. As
> Washington Post columnist David Broder writes, "Resolve not to let the
> defeat of your favorite candidate shatter your faith in America or
> turn you away from politics. There will be another day. Remember the
> Red Sox."
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