[Vision2020] Retractions coming??
Joan Opyr
auntiestablishment@hotmail.com
Wed, 5 May 2004 00:05:26 -0700
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Hi Paul,
To the best of my knowledge (or, rather, to the best of my Google), neith=
er Clinton nor Gore were asked to take an oath before testifying. In thi=
s, they were extended the same courtesy as the sitting President and Vice=
President. =20
Joan =20
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Duffau
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:05 PM
To: Joan Opyr
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Retractions coming??
Joan,
Thank you for the correction. Fortunately, I saw your correction before =
I replied to another post and thus avoided yet another "did too, did not"=
type of conversation. Were former President Clinton and former VP Gore =
sworn in their testimony? I haven't been able to determine either way an=
d the Commission website doesn't help.
Thanks again.
Paul Duffau
At 10:30 AM 5/4/04 -0700, you wrote:
I wrote:
=20
>Both Bill Clinton and Al Gore testified in public and on the record. =20
=20
Pardon me; I misspoke. Clinton and Gore did not testify in public. They=
met privately with the commissioners. Gore testified for three hours, C=
linton for four. Their testimony was recorded/transcribed. Some of it d=
ealt with classified matters and will be redacted in the official transcr=
ipts, as is standard. Both had advisers present, but Clinton and Gore di=
d not testify together.
=20
Bush and Cheney, together, met with the commission for three hours. Also=
present were White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and two of staff attor=
neys. The meeting was neither recorded nor transcribed. Committee membe=
rs were merely allowed to take notes.
=20
Now, why Pat thinks that any of this information would inspire a retracti=
on of the various cracks we've made about George Bush's unwillingness to =
appear before the 9/11 commission without his pal Dick Cheney in tow is a=
mystery. Mr. Bush set limits on his own testimony that made him look ri=
diculous at best, disingenuous at worst. The sitting president you're so=
fond of, Pat, is forever comparing 9/11 to Pearl Harbor, but unlike Fran=
klin Roosevelt, who created a blue ribbon panel to investigate that attac=
k shortly after it happened, Mr. Bush stalled the creation of the 9/11 co=
mmission for more than a year. Once it was finally established, over his=
objections, he attempted to block its funding, he tried to keep Condolee=
zza Rice from testifying, and he turned somersaults and backflips to avoi=
d testifying himself. It was only when these positions became politicall=
y untenable -- after Richard Clarke's searing indictment of the administr=
ation's pre-9/11 inaction -- that Mr. Bush agreed to testify, and then hi=
s testimony was not on the record and it was not on his own. It was with=
aid and abetment of Dick Cheney, whom many suspect of being the real pow=
er (or is that brains?) behind the throne.
=20
Bush made himself look silly, weak and ignorant. He didn't need any help=
from the late night comics on this list -- though I, for one, thank him =
for the great material.
=20
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
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<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To the best of my knowledge (or, rather, to the b=
est of my Google), neither Clinton nor Gore were asked to take an oath be=
fore testifying. In this, they were extended the same courtesy=
as the sitting President and Vice President. </DIV> <DIV> </D=
IV> <DIV>Joan </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-=
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DIV>Joan,<BR><BR>Thank you for the correction. Fortunately, I saw y=
our correction before I replied to another post and thus avoided yet anot=
her "did too, did not" type of conversation. Were former President =
Clinton and former VP Gore sworn in their testimony? I haven't been=
able to determine either way and the Commission website doesn't help.<BR=
><BR>Thanks again.<BR><BR>Paul Duffau<BR><BR>At 10:30 AM 5/4/04 -0700, yo=
u wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR>I wrote:<BR> <B=
R>>Both Bill Clinton and Al Gore testified in public and on the record=
<BR> <BR>Pardon me; I misspoke. Clinton and Gore did n=
ot testify in public. They met privately with the commissioners.&nb=
sp; Gore testified for three hours, Clinton for four. Their testimo=
ny was recorded/transcribed. Some of it dealt with classified matte=
rs and will be redacted in the official transcripts, as is standard. =
; Both had advisers present, but Clinton and Gore did not testify togethe=
r.<BR> <BR>Bush and Cheney, together, met with the commission for th=
ree hours. Also present were White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales a=
nd two of staff attorneys. The meeting was neither recorded nor tra=
nscribed. Committee members were merely allowed to take notes.<BR>&=
nbsp;<BR>Now, why Pat thinks that any of this information would inspire a=
retraction of the various cracks we've made about George Bush's unwillin=
gness to appear before the 9/11 commission without his pal Dick Cheney in=
tow is a mystery. Mr. Bush set limits on his own testimony that ma=
de him look ridiculous at best, disingenuous at worst. The sitting =
president you're so fond of, Pat, is forever comparing 9/11 to Pearl Harb=
or, but unlike Franklin Roosevelt, who created a blue ribbon panel to inv=
estigate that attack shortly after it happened, Mr. Bush stalled the crea=
tion of the 9/11 commission for more than a year. Once it was final=
ly established, over his objections, he attempted to block its funding, h=
e tried to keep Condoleezza Rice from testifying, and he turned somersaul=
ts and backflips to avoid testifying himself. It was only when thes=
e positions became politically untenable -- after Richard Clarke's searin=
g indictment of the administration's pre-9/11 inaction -- that Mr. Bush a=
greed to testify, and then his testimony was not on the record and it was=
not on his own. It was with aid and abetment of Dick Cheney, whom =
many suspect of being the real power (or is that brains?) behind the thro=
ne.<BR> <BR>Bush made himself look silly, weak and ignorant. H=
e didn't need any help from the late night comics on this list -- though =
I, for one, thank him for the great material.<BR> <BR>Joan Opyr/Aunt=
ie Establishment<BR> <BR><BR> <HR> Ge=
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